Today's Football 2018-19 Season

[TheBigIguana]

Winning things is an unfair yardstick. And anyway, many of them won things (like the Championship). The way football is now the trophies are completely dominated by the top teams. When was the last time a team won the FA cup outside that group? Wigan? And that was a freak result.

To say the managers I mentioned were not successful is untrue. They were all successful at their clubs, and most are fondly remembered by their fans. Put them in charge of one of the top teams with a bottomless pit of money and they will all win something.

Even Moyes during his unsuccessful spell at Man Utd managed to win the Charity Shield. If he had stayed a few seasons he would have probably won a trophy or two, even if it was just in the Cups. The only club where he had a really bad spell was Sunderland, but they have hardly done well since he left.

Saying Moyes won the Charity Shield as proof that the mediocre managers you listed could win things with a lot of money is really shaky proof sorry to say. The fact is Moyes reign at United shows that a bottomless pit of money is not enough to save a bad manager from failing at a big club. And while the benchmark of winning trophies is a high standard it is still the goal of every club. So if we are going to look at the most successful way of winning then the clubs and managers that do win would be the ones to look at. Saying that the manager runs everything system is the best way because some guy won the Championship with Charlton isn't really going to work. Meanwhile clubs like Bayern and Juventus switch managers without skipping a beat because the top of the club continues bringing in players and running the club.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Saying Moyes won the Charity Shield as proof that the mediocre managers you listed could win things with a lot of money is really shaky proof sorry to say. The fact is Moyes reign at United shows that a bottomless pit of money is not enough to save a bad manager from failing at a big club. And while the benchmark of winning trophies is a high standard it is still the goal of every club. So if we are going to look at the most successful way of winning then the clubs and managers that do win would be the ones to look at. Saying that the manager runs everything system is the best way because some guy won the Championship with Charlton isn't really going to work. Meanwhile clubs like Bayern and Juventus switch managers without skipping a beat because the top of the club continues bringing in players and running the club.

Pretty much all the greatest British teams have used that setup. Also, Curbishley did not just win a lower league with Charlton, but established them in the top league against better funded teams.

What we have now is the top teams all go for successful coaches from overseas. However these guys are able to work their way up in other leagues, while that doesn’t happen here any more. Our league is now littered with overseas coaches, most of whom offer nothing more than their less glamorous UK counterparts.

And Moyes at Man Utd is not exactly a great example of a bad manager failing with limitless funds. The whole reason he was appointed was to keep the budget approach going so the Glazers could suck more money out of that club. However the squad was past it, despite winning the league. In fact winning that year was one of Fergie’s greatest achievements as a league manager. They then started spending wildly under Van Gaal to try and righten the ship.

Saying he is a bad manager is just stupid - he won three LMA manager of the year awards and did a great job here for years. He might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but he proved he is still a capable coach at West Ham last year. The same people who say he is a bad coach are the same ones who say Hodgson is a bad manager, when he is actually a very, very good manager.

The reason Bayern and Juve can change coaches like underpants is due to their overwhelming resources compared to other teams in their respective leagues. In fact the consolidation of resources is one of the biggest problems in European football, and will likely end with some form of super league at some point.

How are we going to find the next Robson or Ferguson when the leagues are crammed with coaches from overseas?!?

 

[Nymzee]

He's their first choice keeper and the most expensive keeper in the world and you can't understand him being extremely pissed off at being substituted right before a penalty shoot out? Yes he went over the top and he definitely should have gone off (as I made clear in my original post) but any player in that position that doesn't get extremely pissed off shouldn't be playing for a top team in a cup final. He showed passion, the kind of passion I'd love to see in the Everton players.

You kinda skipped the whole part where he went down twice with an injury.

 

[Nymzee]

Another good result for us with Southampton losing. I see Cardiff picking up 3 points in their next game but hopefully after that, them, Soton, Fulham and Huddersfield will continue to cushion us from danger by occupying the relegation spots.
Extraordinary, after the spending we've done, we're still such an awful side.

Hopefully we'll turn a corner in around 2 years, after all the ridiculous contracts our lion hearts are on, start to roll off.

You were worried about relegation?

 

[deipnosophist]

You were worried about relegation?

Let's put it this way: I want at least three of the teams presently below us, to stay there.

 

[MikeH72]

Big Willy is hard to beat. Especially in shootouts!

He’s actually a better keeper than Kepa.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

He’s actually a better keeper than Kepa.

I would have loved to have seen him come in between the sticks and emerge a hero once again!

 

[Mozza1987]

He's their first choice keeper and the most expensive keeper in the world and you can't understand him being extremely pissed off at being substituted right before a penalty shoot out? Yes he went over the top and he definitely should have gone off (as I made clear in my original post) but any player in that position that doesn't get extremely pissed off shouldn't be playing for a top team in a cup final. He showed passion, the kind of passion I'd love to see in the Everton players.

Mate this isn't really difficult to understand. You keep going on that you made this clear in your original post. I know what you said but you also said you understood and basically gave him an excuse to behave the way he did by refusing to come off and in your words fight to stay on. There is no excuse or understanding to what he did. He can be annoyed like I said to you already but he should be coming off straight away and sort it out later with him.

So what he is the most expensive keeper in the world. He had gone down twice with cramp and Willy is a great penalty stopper. The change made sense. When have you ever seen it happen before, never so why are you defending his actions. Don't see Messi or any top players doing this.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Pretty much all the greatest British teams have used that setup. Also, Curbishley did not just win a lower league with Charlton, but established them in the top league against better funded teams.

What we have now is the top teams all go for successful coaches from overseas. However these guys are able to work their way up in other leagues, while that doesn’t happen here any more. Our league is now littered with overseas coaches, most of whom offer nothing more than their less glamorous UK counterparts.

And Moyes at Man Utd is not exactly a great example of a bad manager failing with limitless funds. The whole reason he was appointed was to keep the budget approach going so the Glazers could suck more money out of that club. However the squad was past it, despite winning the league. In fact winning that year was one of Fergie’s greatest achievements as a league manager. They then started spending wildly under Van Gaal to try and righten the ship.

Saying he is a bad manager is just stupid - he won three LMA manager of the year awards and did a great job here for years. He might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but he proved he is still a capable coach at West Ham last year. The same people who say he is a bad coach are the same ones who say Hodgson is a bad manager, when he is actually a very, very good manager.

The reason Bayern and Juve can change coaches like underpants is due to their overwhelming resources compared to other teams in their respective leagues. In fact the consolidation of resources is one of the biggest problems in European football, and will likely end with some form of super league at some point.

How are we going to find the next Robson or Ferguson when the leagues are crammed with coaches from overseas?!?

I think my standards for good management might be a bit different from you. Pochettino for example has a good bit to prove in my eyes. Not that he isn't good but if he hasn't won anything and we look back in 15 years he wouldn't be on my list of top managers. Ultimately you have to win things in my opinion.

 

[ijjysmith]

He’s actually a better keeper than Kepa.

 

[Tubey]

Best part of that whole thing was Kepa letting the Aguero pen in. Aguero thought he'd missed it, 99% of 'keepers in the Prem would have saved it.

Clown.

 

[TyphooToffee]

I would have loved to have seen him come in between the sticks and emerge a hero once again!

Me too, except that my wife's ex is a Chelsea fan so wanted them to lose.

 

[FC sexy xxx]

If staying until I got sacked meant I'll never walk in football afterwards then I probably would. No club will touch Sarri again after this.

He’d get a job in Italy no problem. Chelsea are a mess and Sarri is the least of there issues .

 

[TyphooToffee]

I think the problem was a weak referee. Moss should've sent Kepa off for obvious time wasting then blown for penalties. Problem solved.

 

[Big Fat Sam]

If Kepa is still their #1 after this then we know it's not the manager who selects the starting eleven at Chelsea. I think Sarri will be gone very soon anyway, so that will be the problem 'solved' regarding Kepa, but if by some small chance Sarri is kept on and has permission to take charge of transfers, I'd like to think he will show the goalkeeper the door. Utter, utter disrespect which has long been rumoured to be rife at Chelsea with regards to player power and authority over managers. He ought to take a stand and send him packing. Can't see it happening though. Sarri will be gone, Kepa will remain their #1.

I think the problem was a weak referee. Moss should've sent Kepa off for obvious time wasting then blown for penalties. Problem solved.

It's almost, almost, like the tubby referee didn't know the rules he is governing on the field. The number was up on the board and it was clear that the substitution was final. Instead Moss lets Kepa fanny around on the field for over a minute waving his hands around, then jogs briskly to the sidelines to speak to the manager, lets it go on even longer, then after Sarri gave in, 'cancelled' the substitution. A yellow card should have been awarded once it became apparent that Kepa wasn't prepared to leave the field in a timely manner. The referee should have then remained close to the goalkeeper to communicate with him that if he continues refusing then he will receive a second and his team will be left with no goalkeeper. It was the ultimate display of player power, with Kepa essentially telling Sarri "I don't give a damn what you've decided because I am telling you I will not be subbed off". That could now set a precedent at Chelsea as Sarri not only accepted it, but outrageously came out afterwards and defended the goalkeeper with some poxy excuse about misunderstandings.