Today's Football 2018-19 Season

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Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
For me the introduction of Directors of Football has played a part in it

Relegating the position of manager to one of merely head coach essentially stripped them of their authority

They're not the real boss anymore, the DoF is and the players know it
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Exactly - a terrible system. A good chief scout has all the advantages of a good DOF. The fact the British clubs are increasingly going down this route is disappointing.
 
Chris O'Connor said:
John Terry hinted if he'd been the manager he would have been tempted to go onto the pitch and drag him off.

I know all the stuff of not leaving the technical area etc etc... so maybe it's not meant to be taken literally but what should have happened even if the captain had to drag him off.

Sarri will find this very difficult despite playing it down, the press and media all watched the match.

It was a very public humiliation.
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Have to say I was slighly surprised he didn’t given how boiling with rage (understandably) he was.

I’d have been sorely tempted myself lol
 
JobForTheMoyes said:
Exactly - a terrible system. A good chief scout has all the advantages of a good DOF. The fact the British clubs are increasingly going down this route is disappointing.
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I know it isn't exactly the same but every single American sports team operates under this kind of system. Not every team has players who stop playing even when they know the coach is incompetent. Chelsea are a special case and not the only way having a DOF can go. Everton players quit on Roberto before we had a DOF as well.
 
TheBigIguana said:
I know it isn't exactly the same but every single American sports team operates under this kind of system. Not every team has players who stop playing even when they know the coach is incompetent. Chelsea are a special case and not the only way having a DOF can go. Everton players quit on Roberto before we had a DOF as well.
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Yeah right. Players act in a way now that would have gotten them relegated to the reserves in years gone by. Managers are also hired and fired, often forced out due to players deliberately downing tools.

It used to be clubs were full of local players who would spend times at fan functions etc. Now the players look down on the fans and flash their wealth with extravagant cars and generally act like classless tools. Of course there are exceptions, but the fact is, money has corrupted the game. The wages are so high they can basically get away with anything. Fines and club discipline are meaningless, and they are legally entitled to their huge wages whether they perform or not.

The game is fundamentally broken and has become a sad shadow of its former self.
 
JobForTheMoyes said:
Yeah right. Players act in a way now that would have gotten them relegated to the reserves in years gone by. Managers are also hired and fired, often forced out due to players deliberately downing tools.

It used to be clubs were full of local players who would spend times at fan functions etc. Now the players look down on the fans and flash their wealth with extravagant cars and generally act like classless tools. Of course there are exceptions, but the fact is, money has corrupted the game. The wages are so high they can basically get away with anything. Fines and club discipline are meaningless, and they are legally entitled to their huge wages whether they perform or not.

The game is fundamentally broken and has become a sad shadow of its former self.
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Money corrupting the game I totally agree with. It's a joke really. But I was speaking on the idea that the DOF handles the recruitment and the manager coaches the team system is not good. I think it is perfectly acceptable. If you look across all sports it is really only a handful of truly special managers who can do both effectively.

If you look at the major leagues in Europe they are all dominated by a small number of teams now. The chance of someone out of the blue winning is so remote that it is basically impossible. Since 2010 there's been Leicester and Montpellier in France. 2 times in the 5 best leagues. If you go back to the 1980s that just doesn't happen. It's all down to money.
 
TheBigIguana said:
Money corrupting the game I totally agree with. It's a joke really. But I was speaking on the idea that the DOF handles the recruitment and the manager coaches the team system is not good. I think it is perfectly acceptable. If you look across all sports it is really only a handful of truly special managers who can do both effectively.

If you look at the major leagues in Europe they are all dominated by a small number of teams now. The chance of someone out of the blue winning is so remote that it is basically impossible. Since 2010 there's been Leicester and Montpellier in France. 2 times in the 5 best leagues. If you go back to the 1980s that just doesn't happen. It's all down to money.
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Not really. A DOF is unaccountable. A manager can choose the players he wants to fit his style, and is then accountable f he cannot implement his plans. Saying only special managers can do it is not true. The likes of Sam, Hughton, Curbishley and Steve Coppell are all good, not great, managers who were more than capable of that side of things.

Moyes was pretty much superior to any DOF when it came to scouting and recruiting talent, so I fail to see how we benefit from the new model.

In fact Celtic tried it years ago, and scrapped it because it was far inferior. Just because something is successful elsewhere does not make it a better system.
 
JobForTheMoyes said:
Not really. A DOF is unaccountable. A manager can choose the players he wants to fit his style, and is then accountable f he cannot implement his plans. Saying only special managers can do it is not true. The likes of Sam, Hughton, Curbishley and Steve Coppell are all good, not great, managers who were more than capable of that side of things.

Moyes was pretty much superior to any DOF when it came to scouting and recruiting talent, so I fail to see how we benefit from the new model.

In fact Celtic tried it years ago, and scrapped it because it was far inferior. Just because something is successful elsewhere does not make it a better system.
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None of the people you've mentioned won a single thing. In fact Moyes lack of success when he went other places shows to me that he should have been viewed as a potential DOF rather than a manager. As for it being inferior, some of the best teams in the world follow the system currently. Bayern are probably the best example of how to do it correctly. And the manager doesn't lose all ability to weigh in on which players come in but his responsibility is not primarily to work on that side of things.

When I think of people who have been truly successful in the modern game without having a DOF of some sort the list is basically Ferguson, Wenger, and maybe a couple of others. It isn't a long list.
 
Another good result for us with Southampton losing. I see Cardiff picking up 3 points in their next game but hopefully after that, them, Soton, Fulham and Huddersfield will continue to cushion us from danger by occupying the relegation spots.
Extraordinary, after the spending we've done, we're still such an awful side.

Hopefully we'll turn a corner in around 2 years, after all the ridiculous contracts our lion hearts are on, start to roll off.
 
TheBigIguana said:
None of the people you've mentioned won a single thing. In fact Moyes lack of success when he went other places shows to me that he should have been viewed as a potential DOF rather than a manager. As for it being inferior, some of the best teams in the world follow the system currently. Bayern are probably the best example of how to do it correctly. And the manager doesn't lose all ability to weigh in on which players come in but his responsibility is not primarily to work on that side of things.

When I think of people who have been truly successful in the modern game without having a DOF of some sort the list is basically Ferguson, Wenger, and maybe a couple of others. It isn't a long list.
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Winning things is an unfair yardstick. And anyway, many of them won things (like the Championship). The way football is now the trophies are completely dominated by the top teams. When was the last time a team won the FA cup outside that group? Wigan? And that was a freak result.

To say the managers I mentioned were not successful is untrue. They were all successful at their clubs, and most are fondly remembered by their fans. Put them in charge of one of the top teams with a bottomless pit of money and they will all win something.

Even Moyes during his unsuccessful spell at Man Utd managed to win the Charity Shield. If he had stayed a few seasons he would have probably won a trophy or two, even if it was just in the Cups. The only club where he had a really bad spell was Sunderland, but they have hardly done well since he left.
 
JobForTheMoyes said:
It’s a cancer that seems to have spread throughout the top level of the sport, including our club. Goes hand in hand with the way cheating and professional fouling is applauded, while good sportsmanship receives no reward.
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It’s in all major sports now. The amount of power the players have over their coaches in the NBA and NFL here in the states is crazy. Respect just isn’t there anymore. It is funny that the best teams generally still have that respect though. Not a coincidence.
 
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