Today’s Football 2022/23 Season

[Tommy.]

So that's bad math

*Maths

 

[Bohemian Toffee]

He should have never tried in the first place

I want to be clear, I agree there is an inherent condescending attitude towards American coaches in this league, but my issue with Marsch is the touchline histrionics, especially when we played them.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I want to be clear, I agree there is an inherent condescending attitude towards American coaches in this league, but my issue with Marsch is the touchline histrionics, especially when we played them.

He's been an utter tit and it hasn't helped

 

[summerisle]

 

[Nymzee]

Did that bloke run on and pull a hammy

 

[Tommy.]

The eff is Tom Davies doing there?

 

[Simon Buttle]

Have you seen much of that Lukebakio @Nymzee

Watching a bit of the game against Werder and he seems quite decent on the ball.

 

[Nymzee]

Have you seen much of that Lukebakio @Nymzee

Watching a bit of the game against Werder and he seems quite decent on the ball.

Yeh he’s got ability but rarely uses it.

 

[Chrismac]

Thats an incredible 50secs of high jinks and all round tomfoolery

 

[mmmmsnouts]

I think it's going to be awhile before American managers break through internationally. They are not advancing in skill the same way the players are. The American managers who were former players came up in the era where the national team and American soccer in general was defined by their fitness and work rate. Tactics and technical ability were not that important. So that's often the way they manage and that gets you crushed in a top European league.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I think it's going to be awhile before American managers break through internationally. They are not advancing in skill the same way the players are. The American managers who were former players came up in the era where the national team and American soccer in general was defined by their fitness and work rate. Tactics and technical ability were not that important. So that's often the way they manage and that gets you crushed in a top European league.

This is what I talk about though when I say the standard is different because to me these bolded words can be applied to Frank Lampard's Everton very easily and a bunch of other managers if you really want to look into it. That includes his predecessor at Leeds who had a reputation for tactical prowess that I personally never saw.

 

[mmmmsnouts]

This is what I talk about though when I say the standard is different because to me these bolded words can be applied to Frank Lampard's Everton very easily and a bunch of other managers if you really want to look into it.

I would argue Lampard's more about team spirit and cohesion and Everton really needed that so I'm fine with him as manager here... but he's just average tactically. It seems like the Lampards, Gerrards, Artetas, etc. either need an apprenticeship or a really good assistant to kick on. You see what happened to Gerrard without Michael Beale by his side, absolute disaster. He actually got a lot more stick than I expected with how bad he was at Villa. It put a dent in the argument about how Jesse Marsch only gets pelters because he's American and not because Leeds are struggling.

The situation the manager is put in is an issue too. The only clubs in a top 5 league that would ever hire Marsch or Bob Bradley are the ones around a relegation scrap. You won't get time to adjust, you have to get early results or you're gone. It's a no-win situation for someone with an entire country's managerial reputation on their back.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I would argue Lampard's more about team spirit and cohesion and Everton really needed that so I'm fine with him as manager here... but he's just average tactically. It seems like the Lampards, Gerrards, Artetas, etc. either need an apprenticeship or a really good assistant to kick on. You see what happened to Gerrard without Michael Beale by his side, absolute disaster. He actually got a lot more stick than I expected with how bad he was at Villa. It put a dent in the argument about how Jesse Marsch only gets pelters because he's American and not because Leeds are struggling.

The situation the manager is put in is an issue too. The only clubs in a top 5 league that would ever hire Marsch or Bob Bradley are the ones around a relegation scrap. You won't get time to adjust, you have to get early results or you're gone. It's a no-win situation for someone with an entire country's managerial reputation on their back.

I mean Marsch managed RBL, short as it was. I know he didn't come out of that looking good but RBL have had to fire a manager again recently because frankly the squad isn't as good as they think it is.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I mean Marsch managed RBL, short as it was. I know he didn't come out of that looking good but RBL have had to fire a manager again recently because frankly the squad isn't as good as they think it is.

Right, that's why his replacement did better with the same players I guess. They also gave him a bunch of money to spend and he brought in quite good players, but still couldn't turn it around.

It's a results game and results matter - if you don't get them and there's not really a sign of positive development, what else is there to do?

Also RBL have been in the top 4 since they started existing in the BuLi pretty much, so, believe it or not, being 11th and losing 5 on the bounce is pretty much "you're fired!" territory.

 

[Nymzee]

I mean Marsch managed RBL, short as it was. I know he didn't come out of that looking good but RBL have had to fire a manager again recently because frankly the squad isn't as good as they think it is.

That’s really not why Marsch and Tedesco were fired.