Today’s Football 2022/23 Season

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TheBigIguana said:
That's not how offside works but even if it was I'd say the player who was offside scoring is a clear mistake
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But that's where a bit of nuance is required. In the literal sense, legally, offside is very clear-cut where any part of the head, body or feet is beyond the last player.

However, we had inane situations where the heel of a player, facing away from goal, was deemed offside because of a mere few mm; armpits being offside.

Anyone who has watched and played the game know that's not how the law was interpreted for decades. It wasn't the precedent that was set.

I genuinely don't know how to fix the situation where there's a framework that all officials will understand, but the current situation (while better) isn't suitable.
 
The only question is why it took so long to give that as offside when it isn’t even close.

Guess spurs fans are just used to gaining points via dodgy VAR decisions and not dropping them from correct ones.
 
Yank said:
I don't know why you're talking to me like I asked a question or said anything that goes against this. Of course a club isn't going to allow a player to tell a political party to eff off, especially the party that won the last local elections to my understanding.

It was just a link to a story, as I said, I just like observing these things and watching them play out. It's probably the end but idk.
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Wasn't intended to offend mate.

But obviously because you're a yank I guess. x
 
PhilM said:
But that's where a bit of nuance is required. In the literal sense, legally, offside is very clear-cut where any part of the head, body or feet is beyond the last player.

However, we had inane situations where the heel of a player, facing away from goal, was deemed offside because of a mere few mm; armpits being offside.

Anyone who has watched and played the game know that's not how the law was interpreted for decades. It wasn't the precedent that was set.

I genuinely don't know how to fix the situation where there's a framework that all officials will understand, but the current situation (while better) isn't suitable.
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I feel like letting referees judge whether or not there was an advantage gained from the offside is a pretty horrible idea.

For decades the linesman didn't have to explain why you were offside. He just put the flag up whether he was right or wrong. VAR didn't invent close offside calls.
 
TheBigIguana said:
I feel like letting referees judge whether or not there was an advantage gained from the offside is a pretty horrible idea.

For decades the linesman didn't have to explain why you were offside. He just put the flag up whether he was right or wrong. VAR didn't invent close offside calls.
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You're right, it didn't. However, while it may be a cliché for some, the spirit of the game argument shouldn't be ignored because TV audiences want it clear-cut.

For decades, linesman didn't have to explain why it was offside, but were there as many contentious decisions? The vast majority took a flexible approach to it.

For me, VAR has brought about more contentious decision rather than resolving those that previously existed, as events are being made that weren't required.

Strangely, in terms of the referee, we have sports like rugby where the referee does judge advantage etc, and more often than not it works perfectly fine.

An honest question: pre-VAR, what would the majority of football fans said about Kane's goal last night? Would there have been an uproar if it stood?

I found this online, for example. This was given offside. K'in ell! Not in a million years, pre-VAR, would most people even consider that an offside call.

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PhilM said:
You're right, it didn't. However, while it may be a cliché for some, the spirit of the game argument shouldn't be ignored because TV audiences want it clear-cut.

For decades, linesman didn't have to explain why it was offside, but were there as many contentious decisions? The vast majority took a flexible approach to it.

For me, VAR has brought about more contentious decision rather than resolving those that previously existed, as events are being made that weren't required.

Strangely, in terms of the referee, we have sports like rugby where the referee does judge advantage etc, and more often than not it works perfectly fine.

An honest question: pre-VAR, what would the majority of football fans said about Kane's goal last night? Would there have been an uproar if it stood?

I found this online, for example. This was given offside. K'in ell! Not in a million years, pre-VAR, would most people even consider that an offside call.

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However the linesman very well may have flagged it and that would have been that anyway. The problem in the past is save for a few decisions here and there, that John Terry late equalizer against us being an example, people just didn't care too much that the linesman was often wrong. And I think it is worth noting that VAR is helpful both ways as much as people want to focus on goals ruled out. A lot of good goals end up being goals because it is here.
 
roydo said:
You surely dont want VAR doing every offside call? It only gets involved if a goal is scored atm.
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Cant it be active and monitored? That particular lino for instance ought to have been subbed off, think of it like persistent fouling but for an official, so many mistakes and your out. I think he was ball watching, and when Zaha was put through he only flags well after the event. Horrendous call. Same with the shot from Myko ending with Gordon.
 
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