Today’s Football 2020/21 Season

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And again that is quite close to the truth. If the comment was that white man, the team's wouldn't have walked off the pitch.

History doesn't come into it. If you factor in history in terms of racism then you will never get rid of racism as it will be dragged back up every single time.

Here and now. Not 8th December 1830 , December 8th 2020 , someone felt a racist comment was made about them and reacted as a result.

I wasn't against them walking off the first place? You'll have to read back to last nights discussion to see which side we were all on.

I just think saying "if he was white this wouldn't have happened" is a very obvious comment because white people don't have a history of racial persecution. If coloured people didn't have a history of racial persecution last night wouldn't have happened either.
 
I think a second language should be compulsory in schools from a young age, say the start of primary school. It's the best time to learn a language when you're not scared to make mistakes.

I can speak two fluently and another two to basic conversation level, and understand the very, very basics of a further two.

I am continuing to learn one (Mandarin) of those to hopefully use in the future.

Europe definitely puts the UK to shame when it comes to languages.

I feel the same. There's an ignorance to learn other languages as the predominant language generally is English so we tend to feel there's no need.

If you're working abroad with multi cultures and different languages... everyone generally speaks English as a default.

Isn't it compulsory in German schools to learn English straight away for example?
 
I think a second language should be compulsory in schools from a young age, say the start of primary school. It's the best time to learn a language when you're not scared to make mistakes.

I can speak two fluently and another two to basic conversation level, and understand the very, very basics of a further two.

I am continuing to learn one (Mandarin) of those to hopefully use in the future.

Europe definitely puts the UK to shame when it comes to languages.

That's because when they come over here we make them speak English and when we go abroad we make them speak English.

Sooner the latter is changed you'll start to see people pick up more languages.

Also, only enforcing languages in schools till you're like 13/14 doesn't help.
 
I feel the same. There's an ignorance to learn other languages as the predominant language generally is English so we tend to feel there's no need.

If you're working abroad with multi cultures and different languages... everyone generally speaks English as a default.

Isn't it compulsory in German schools to learn English straight away for example?
I'm not sure about German schools but I can tell you in China, for example, they're learning it English from the age of about 4!

I'd hazard a guess of German kids learning from the age of around 6, so I guess that's more or less straight away, haha.
 
That's because when they come over here we make them speak English and when we go abroad we make them speak English.

Sooner the latter is changed you'll start to see people pick up more languages.

Also, only enforcing languages in schools till you're like 13/14 doesn't help.
Yup, absolutely true. I guess we're lucky that we have the most important language for free, but then on the flip side it makes us lazy to learn another. I've got several mates who live in the EU who can't be arsed speaking the local language even though they've been here years!

You're right as well: languages should be enforced right throughout the duration of education from 5 to 16, in my opinion. I'd make the kids do three hours a week. I remember in year 7 at high school I had one single hour a week of German, waste of time. Had forgotten what I'd learned in the previous lesson after a day or two!
 
I'm not sure about German schools but I can tell you in China, for example, they're learning it English from the age of about 4!

I'd hazard a guess of German kids learning from the age of around 6, so I guess that's more or less straight away, haha.

I know. Friend of mine works in China. Zero teaching qualifications...got a job teaching English. Works for a magazine company now.
 
What are you on about?

You tit.

There are so many valid ways to describe a man. While color of skin is factual and easy to describe, there is considerable cultural context, almost exclusively linked to a history of racist abuse, that suggests this is not an appropriate manner. It is at best the lowest common denominator. The official could have sufficiently answer by responding, "19" (the number on his pants), "Ba" (his name), "the tall one" (Ba is considerably taller), "the angry one" (although some say the entire touchline was angry), "let me point him out" or any of many other answers besides "oh, the black one." Was the official intending to be racist or was this just callous/casual racism? Or was he just being a tit? Maybe Ba assumed intent when there was none? But for men with a history of receiving racist abuse, it's hard to determine intent, from apparent jokes, from non-intent. There's plenty of information on this subject, but at the very least listen to what black men say about it. Or if you want a lighter approach, many have attempted to document how people with power disregard the dignity of others with ease:

 
I think there's a lot missing the point on this, some wilfully.

The offence itself doesn't sound like much, beyond a fourth official acting unprofessionally and clumsily trying to identify a member of the coaching staff, but for a lot of the players that have had to endure racism in their careers to date this was obviously the straw that broke the camel's back and, crucially for them, a subsequent opportunity to ACTUALLY say "no" to what they perceived to be racism rather than peddle a slogan round and do nothing real about it.

It is sad that only now are some black people feeling emboldened enough to stand up in the face of persecution and, in football as with anywhere else, we have to encourage them to do so, even if they're ultimately perceived to be "overreacting" to a gaffe arising from a language barrier, misunderstanding, etc.

People acting as if they think this will give rise to matches being abandoned every time the word "black" is mentioned need to give their heads a wobble. Players and teams should feel free to leave the pitch if they feel they've been racially abused, without fear of reprisal from their clubs, UEFA, FIFA, etc. Yes, when it becomes more common for them to do so, some instances will undoubtedly arise because something was misheard, mistranslated or misunderstood but that's fine, too. There is NO room for racism in the game (or anywhere) so it is infinitely better to "risk" very occasional abandonments or suspensions of games over misunderstandings than to let things continue as they are and give black players no protection whatsoever because we're concerned there might be said occasional abandonment.

Good on all players and staff involved for their solidarity in this. Hopefully this proves to be a big moment in the months and years to come.
 
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