2025/26 Thierno Barry

[Walken]

Agreed they both dont look suited to our style of play what ever that is but its the lack of basic improvement of being a footballer worries me i guess we can look back over 10-20 years and probably list 5 players that we think actually improved as a player while at the club

Over the last 20 years? hyperbole at its best in here.

Currently barry can't be defended by association of a larger policy or policies over 20 years, he just turned out to be not good enough at this stage.

 

[nevsonlymate]

I watched Barry a couple of times at Villarreal he's never looked like a hold up player so quite why Moyes ever thought he'd be successful here is a mystery. We shouldn't be paying decent money for players who need coaching to suit our system.

And again the debate is still was it Moyes that signed off on him or the committee or who ever was in place at the time as you say he looks most unlike a Moyes forward as you can think of

 

[nevsonlymate]

Over the last 20 years? hyperbole at its best in here.

Currently barry can't be defended by association of a larger policy or policies over 20 years, he just turned out to be not good enough at this stage.

I struggle to think of to many players that have come to the club that we have vastly improved over the years that didnt already have that skill set with them and this is not a go at Moyes im just talking coaching in general like full backs who could actually cross a ball or a player so one footed that he actually started to use his opposite foot example McNeil what 4 years still cant use his right foot

 

[anton66]

Do we have a sell on loss clause with Villarreal as we’re going to make a massive loss on him?

 

[jazzy]

I struggle to think of to many players that have come to the club that we have vastly improved over the years that didnt already have that skill set with them and this is not a go at Moyes im just talking coaching in general like full backs who could actually cross a ball or a player so one footed that he actually started to use his opposite foot example McNeil what 4 years still cant use his right foot

Pickford, O'Brien,Branthwaite , Garner , Tim , N'dayie and KDH are all recent examples of players who have improved at Everton.

Of course they had ability as a footballer before coming here , you don't get to be a pro footballer otherwise

 

[nevsonlymate]

Pickford, O'Brien,Branthwaite , Garner , Tim , N'dayie and KDH are all recent examples of players who have improved at Everton.

Of course they had ability as a footballer before coming here , you don't get to be a pro footballer otherwise

Theres again an argument to say have they all Im not trying to say they all havent but Garner was doing what Garner does at Notts Forest , Pickfords always been a good shot stopper but has his all round game improved like crosses , corners etc

 

[Swartzy]

And again the debate is still was it Moyes that signed off on him or the committee or who ever was in place at the time as you say he looks most unlike a Moyes forward as you can think of

I think Barry is one that Moyes has to take the ownership on, We were hunting him before the Committee had even been set up properly..
just look at how many opportunities he's given him, and how much he wrapped him up in cotton wool with the "Patience" talk..

He speaks more about KDH, Jack and Barry than anyone else, that's not just coincidence..

Barry was possibly the quick jump from Delap before the committee properly got their foot in the door..

 

[Walken]

I struggle to think of to many players that have come to the club that we have vastly improved over the years that didnt already have that skill set with them and this is not a go at Moyes im just talking coaching in general like full backs who could actually cross a ball or a player so one footed that he actually started to use his opposite foot example McNeil what 4 years still cant use his right foot

you said a basic level of improvement.

this squad alone
pickford
coleman
baines
brainthwaite
tarky
o'brien
ndyaie
garner
timbo
kdh


go back as long as you want in the last years

fellaini
lukaku
arteta
pienaar
lescott
stubbs
yobo
osman
donavan
yakubu
etc etc

you are talking chobb on this one i'm afraid and it comes across as a motte and bailey style argument to defend a position proven wrong on barry, and a poor one at that

 

[davids]

And again the debate is still was it Moyes that signed off on him or the committee or who ever was in place at the time as you say he looks most unlike a Moyes forward as you can think of

Same with Dibling and George

 

[nevsonlymate]

you said a basic level of improvement.

this squad alone
pickford
coleman
baines
brainthwaite
tarky
o'brien
ndyaie
garner
timbo
kdh


go back as long as you want in the last years

fellaini
lukaku
arteta
pienaar
lescott
stubbs
yobo
osman
donavan
yakubu
etc etc

you are talking chobb on this one i'm afraid and it comes across as a motte and bailey style argument to defend a position proven wrong on barry, and a poor one at that

If you think we have improved every player on you list then thats your opinion and you think KHD didnt play as he does now with Leicester before Chelsea payed big bucks and in 8 months we have made him the player he is then thats fine

 

[Walken]

If you think we have improved every player on you list then thats your opinion and you think KHD didnt play as he does now with Leicester before Chelsea payed big bucks and in 8 months we have made him the player he is then thats fine

And if you think there aren't at least 5 players in the last 20 years that have showed a basic level of improvement then that's also fine, as it shows a rather foolish argument being made

 

[nevsonlymate]

you said a basic level of improvement.

this squad alone
pickford
coleman
baines
brainthwaite
tarky
o'brien
ndyaie
garner
timbo
kdh


go back as long as you want in the last years

fellaini
lukaku
arteta
pienaar
lescott
stubbs
yobo
osman
donavan
yakubu
etc etc

you are talking chobb on this one i'm afraid and it comes across as a motte and bailey style argument to defend a position proven wrong on barry, and a poor one at that

How ive I been proved wrong on Barry I've said he hasn't improved his game in 8-9 months here can you dispute that ?

 

[Walken]

How ive I been proved wrong on Barry I've said he hasn't improved his game in 8-9 months here can you dispute that ?

Your claim is his lack of improvement is part of a greater pattern that there are not 5 players in the last 20 years who have showed a basic level of improvement, this claim is absurd. There are a great deal number of players who have showed a basic level of improvement in the last 20 years. Barry's lack of improvent is not a systemic issue with an organisation, its because he is crap at football.

Anyway this boring me now and you have started flirting around with the semantics of your statement as you realise your argument was daft, so I'll let you have the final statement and wish you good day sir.

 

[st.domingo]

Sadly I have Calvert-Lewin #2 vibes about young Mr Barry. Whatever the rights, wrongs, and truth of the Ticketgate incident it feels like a watershed* moment in his relationship with the fans. He's got enough doubters and as we've seen with DCL off field activities can really turn some against a player even more.


*I hope the forum pedants are happy.

So you're saying the only way back is a quick magazine cover shoot wearing edgy clothing?

 

[nevsonlymate]

And if you think there aren't at least 5 players in the last 20 years that have showed a basic level of improvement then that's also fine, as it shows a rather foolish argument being made

Again all those players you name came

Your claim is his lack of improvement is part of a greater pattern that there are not 5 players in the last 20 years who have showed a basic level of improvement, this claim is absurd. There are a great deal number of players who have showed a basic level of improvement in the last 20 years. Barry's lack of improvent is not a systemic issue with an organisation, its because he is crap at football.

Anyway this boring me now and you have started flirting around with the semantics of your statement as you realise your argument was daft, so I'll let you have the final statement and wish you good day sir.

Apologies to have taken up your valuable time on a discussion forum next time ill just except that what you say on everything is correct have a nice day