Current Affairs The Would Be Emperor Has No Clothes (aka POTUS 47)

[Rita_Poon]

lets compromise.

"to wards".

 

[Drico]

So, the solution to dealing with a wacko electorate is to use the worst, most uninspiring candidates imaginable? I'm sorry, but even with a ferociously right-wing electorate, there's still no justification to chose Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris. There's no reason to make an already uphill battle even harder.

Don't fool yourself. The only person that the Democrats could run to beat Trump this time was Hitler.

These people want to dominate others - not improve their lives or anyone else's.

 

[LostLegend]

 

[Drico]

Which goes back to what I said about choice and flexibility within needs. You as an individual have reasons not to. That's not the case for everyone. It's also not how the economy in certain sectors work as it needs people and works better with people together.

Hospitality can't "adapt" if there's low demand but higher rates. It's a sector that needs help that hasn't got it. You can't sell flats or houses if the price is too high and not enough buyers to afford it for example. That sector got help with plenty of schemes.

So if a government forces businesses to get people back in the office...it should be for a economic push rather than lining pockets (as the original post was about)

Obviously not everybody can work from home. Some jobs, by their nature, are simply not suitable for that. However, much of the "return to office" push is not about helping sectors or economic growth. I have a degree in economics - but nobody needs that to know that this push is really about control. It's about controlling labour, protecting bad managers who micromanage and have no other use, and about protecting bad investments that are no longer viable. It's about protecting the real estate industry and the office space gougers. It's about creating a captive market for overpriced sandwich shops.

We need people back in city centres. This I agree on. But to live in - not simply to commute to. Hospitality will have to move to the people - not demand that the people move to them. It's as if the great believers in the almighty market have a bit of an issue when the market moves against them...

 

[Drico]

Isn't this the logical outcome of the American system though? Small government which ultimately leads to an every man for himself mentality. Succeed and the rewards are great, fail and you get left behind.

It fosters people becoming isolated from the plight of others as long as they themselves get ahead, and if they can't get ahead, make sure that the others further down the chain can't get above you.

Trump has very successfully tapped into that by creating several bogeymen - it is the immigrants fault you can't succeed, it is the woke's fault you can't succeed, it is the cost of clean energy that means you can't succeed. Hear that often enough and you don't have to look inward as to why you can't succeed - you have the perfect patsy.

How to solve that is of course the big issue. Trump has made a career out of lying and being outwardly nasty - politicians usually bend the truth or cherry pick rather than outright lie. They usually disguise their malice rather than wear it on their sleeve. It is a new type of politic and needs a new type of solution. What that is, I don't know, but I just hope that the US is not so far gone in 4 years time that it is too late to find the solution.

Yup, very much so. America was founded by wiping native people off their land. It's why they are such close allies of the Israelis. They see nothing wrong with domination. Might is right. It's why Trump admires Putin. It's why Musk does Hitler salutes. America was never a "society" in the way European countries tend to be. Survival of the fittest was festishised as "the American dream". "Government" was characterised as "oppression". Well, they are going to be right about one thing. Government is indeed going to be about oppression for the next four years...at least.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Don't fool yourself. The only person that the Democrats could run to beat Trump this time was Hitler.

These people want to dominate others - not improve their lives or anyone else's.

If that's the case then why did Biden win in 2020? They had four years to find a suitable replacement and instead went to Harris. I'm sorry but to pretend that it was impossible to beat Trump is simply untrue. Even if it was impossible to beat him then surely you select someone who will overseen the narrowest possible loss? Nobody outside of the most hardcore bubble could possibly believe that Harris was the answer.

 

[Yarrgh]

lets compromise.

"to wards".

Two wards

 

[T Bone]

They want to feed a catholic bishop to the lions now.

shes a 'dyke woke bishop' a disgrace for asking Trump to show mercy on immigrants.

 

[Amw79]

Nice to hear Dorian Lynskey and Ian Dunt telling it like it is on this week's Origin Story podcast.

I’m listening to their book on Fascism, which spun out of the podcast.

They’re just covering Mussolini, who they just said, one of his first acts was to release political prisoners who’d committed violence, as long as that violence was of a nationalistic type.

Sound familiar to J6 pardons?

 

[Groucho]

1945 - “never forget”

2025 - “forget what”?

 

[efcste97]

Will he pardon Snowden, or just a drug dealer who operated an illegal, unregulated dark web marketplace that sold all manner of illicit and degenerate goods? Party of 'anti-degeneracy' and 'law and order' my arse, they've just released a grafter who accumulated millions taking a $ off every transaction.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

So, the solution to dealing with a wacko electorate is to use the worst, most uninspiring candidates imaginable? I'm sorry, but even with a ferociously right-wing electorate, there's still no justification to chose Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris. There's no reason to make an already uphill battle even harder.

I know right?

Dems could easily have chisen an inspiring TV personality over the most qualified woman for the presidency ever, a former VP and 50’yeae civil servant, and a former senator and current VP. I mean what were they thinking

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Isn't this the logical outcome of the American system though? Small government which ultimately leads to an every man for himself mentality. Succeed and the rewards are great, fail and you get left behind.

It fosters people becoming isolated from the plight of others as long as they themselves get ahead, and if they can't get ahead, make sure that the others further down the chain can't get above you.

Trump has very successfully tapped into that by creating several bogeymen - it is the immigrants fault you can't succeed, it is the woke's fault you can't succeed, it is the cost of clean energy that means you can't succeed. Hear that often enough and you don't have to look inward as to why you can't succeed - you have the perfect patsy.

How to solve that is of course the big issue. Trump has made a career out of lying and being outwardly nasty - politicians usually bend the truth or cherry pick rather than outright lie. They usually disguise their malice rather than wear it on their sleeve. It is a new type of politic and needs a new type of solution. What that is, I don't know, but I just hope that the US is not so far gone in 4 years time that it is too late to find the solution.

I fear it is, in fact, too late

 

[Rita_Poon]

1945 - “never forget”

2025 - “forget what”?

'Lest we forget'

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

If that's the case then why did Biden win in 2020? They had four years to find a suitable replacement and instead went to Harris. I'm sorry but to pretend that it was impossible to beat Trump is simply untrue. Even if it was impossible to beat him then surely you select someone who will overseen the narrowest possible loss? Nobody outside of the most hardcore bubble could possibly believe that Harris was the answer.

Wrong. “They” didn’t find anyone

Biden screwed everyone saying he was going to run again. Once that happened, that’s where the uphill battle commenced. Once he dropped out so late, Kamala was pretty much the only realistic candidate for reasons described ad nauseam in the old thread