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Is that a real article? Imagine being a Telegraph reader …
It’s real in the mind of Telegraph readers. My curiosity didn’t extend to lashing out for a subscription.

Maybe @peteblue could summarise ?

From the visible opening paragraph the depth of research is readily apparent. See “Brothers of Gwyneth” ( stereotypical Welsh girl’s name) The actual reference should be Gwynedd (place) Ho hum, facts are so woke.
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Ha ha. The only time I use the word, is when I’m asking people to define it, so I can’t help you here old chum.

I’m going to use another word ‘wake’, it’ll eventually catch on, will be used by all mainstream media and no one will know what it means….
 
Just checking. In the 67 pages so far, has anyone given a definition of “woke”, other than that in the dictionary, which apparently isn’t the ‘proper’ definition anymore.
Therein lies the point. You are not meant to be able to define it.

Typically unsupported by fact, evidence or truth.

A Brexit benefit, whereby individuals are no longer required to understand why they hate things.
 
Therein lies the point. You are not meant to be able to define it.

Typically unsupported by fact, evidence or truth.

A Brexit benefit, whereby individuals are no longer required to understand why they hate things.

Maybe. But I think people using it, genuinely have something in mind. But, like Brexit I guess, it’s different for everyone.

I’d be happy to use and discuss whatever definition people have in their mind, but getting a firm definition from them seems impossible.

I had it down as a modern substitute for “politically correct”, but that’s pretty well defined, so it’s honestly a mystery to me.
 
Maybe. But I think people using it, genuinely have something in mind. But, like Brexit I guess, it’s different for everyone.

I’d be happy to use and discuss whatever definition people have in their mind, but getting a firm definition from them seems impossible.

I had it down as a modern substitute for “politically correct”, but that’s pretty well defined, so it’s honestly a mystery to me.
Exactly. I'm not remotely an expert in this area, but 'woke' to one side is a perfectly legitimate newly acquired awareness of systemic racism, not as obvious as, eg idiots riding around in white sheets, but still oppressive to a variety of non-white, non-anglo people. There do seem to be, however, those who spend every waking moment in obsessively twisting reality to make everything about race and white oppression of the rest of humanity, and analyse every syllable uttered by others in the hope of finding a shred of something to allow them to claim racism at play, rather than deal sensibly with life. 'Woke' is often used pejoratively to describe those folk. Consequently, it's sometimes difficult to discern in what sense 'woke' is being used. Tricky.
 
Exactly. I'm not remotely an expert in this area, but 'woke' to one side is a perfectly legitimate newly acquired awareness of systemic racism, not as obvious as, eg idiots riding around in white sheets, but still oppressive to a variety of non-white, non-anglo people. There do seem to be, however, those who spend every waking moment in obsessively twisting reality to make everything about race and white oppression of the rest of humanity, and analyse every syllable uttered by others in the hope of finding a shred of something to allow them to claim racism at play, rather than deal sensibly with life. 'Woke' is often used pejoratively to describe those folk. Consequently, it's sometimes difficult to discern in what sense 'woke' is being used. Tricky.

So, I suspect something like the bold is what people really mean by ‘woke’. This feels the closest I’ve seen in this thread to something understandable.

But it’s not the neatest definition of a word, and how well it tracks to how prevalent this attitude actually is, is questionable.

It also feels like the usage of it, tends not to be against that small group of people you’ve identified, and is, instead, used so liberally that it’s meaningless.
 
Is that a real article? Imagine being a Telegraph reader …
Oh yes, here's the cut and paste:

Labour has made Wales the wokest country in Europe​

If you want to know what Keir Starmer has in store for Britain, look no further than our Western neighbour
TOM HARRIS17 March 2023 • 1:59pm
Tom Harris

 Labour leader Keir Starmer

One of my favourite historical novels retells the story of the Brothers of Gwyneth, the ill-fated dynasty that ruled most of Wales in the era of Bad King John and his heir, Henry III.
The title of the book was “Here Be Dragons”, a warning more normally placed on ancient maps to warn sailors away from the dangerous, uncharted swathes of the globe. Medieval Wales, said the author, was of a similar, unknown and dangerous nature.
Modern Wales is very well known to us indeed, but it still serves as a warning. There, Labour has governed uninterrupted since the advent of devolution. So it’s fair to examine Wales and the policies it has pursued in order to understand what the priorities of a future UK – or even Scottish – government might be under the party. The answer is straightforward: Labour has made Wales the wokest country in Europe.
In the midst of the furore over the SNP’s Gender Recognition Reform Bill and its vetoing by the UK government, Welsh first minister Mark Drakeford announced that he wanted to have the powers to introduce his own version of the legislation in Wales. Subsequent controversies over a double rapist being placed in a women’s prison and SNP ministers refusing to say whether the rapist was a man or a woman appear to have encouraged no second thoughts.
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The Welsh Labour party seems to have inhaled deeply the ideology of the trans movement. A 170-page “Agenda” pamphlet has been promoted by the Welsh Government to all schools, claiming that biological sex “is not just ‘male’ and ‘female’”. Teachers have been told that children as young as seven might be a “mixed berry gender fluid muffin”.
Other measures prove Welsh Labour's status at the cutting edge of woke. While training private landlords in the virtues of “anti-racism” might not appear on most people’s assumptions of politicians’ list of priorities, in Wales that’s exactly what is happening. And perhaps most sinister of all, guidance expected to be finalised this month warns that historical statues often glorify “powerful, older, able-bodied white men” and may be “offensive” to a more diverse modern public. Statues of “old white men” such as the Duke of Wellington and Admiral Lord Nelson could be hidden or destroyed to create the “right historical narrative”, according to draft Welsh government guidance.
That Labour feels entitled to destroy historical items to push the “right historical narrative” is chilling. How did the land of David Lloyd-George and Nye Bevan become such a testbed for unproven woke theories? Moreover, what public support is there in Wales for imposing such divisive transatlantic theology on the people of Wales? Has Welsh Labour become so complacent and arrogant in power that it imagines it can reorganise society along American east coast academic lines without any sort of electoral reaction?
However it happened, Wales is a warning of Britain’s potential future under Keir Starmer. Scottish Labour MSPs were more enthusiastic about trans self-ID – even if it meant allowing convicted sex offenders to change gender – than even Sturgeon’s party. Starmer has repeatedly (although not recently) insisted that self-ID will be introduced by a future Labour government, the Scottish debacle notwithstanding.
As for the sinister trend for teaching children the unscientific notion of multiple genders, and even the recent fashion for inviting drag queens into primary schools to read unsuspecting children story books – how many Labour MPs have publicly objected to such objectionable activity?
The next general election will be decided, as have most previous ones, by economic rather than culture war issues. That’s probably as it should be. But beware any party that hands over control of the education system to ideological dogmatists pushing a particular minority agenda.
Wales is not just an example of what Labour can do at a British level: it is a warning. If Keir Starmer will say or do nothing to condemn the extremism rearing its head in Welsh schools, local councils and government departments, we must assume that he wants the same thing for the rest of the country.






Absolutely batshit
 
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