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You are right, the male sex cannot get pregnant. I said a female transitioning, so biologically they may still have a womb, therefore scientifically able to be pregnant. Now if you want to call them a woman, I am not debating that. What I would debate is that we allow that person to define themselves. Why would be up to us how to define another person. If I met you and I said I was from Essex but I never felt I was a southerner because I was brought up in the North, would you get all offended that I would dare to not acknowledge my birth place? It is the same and more of a serious emotional point regarding the sex/gender of a person. I do not understand why they feel the way they do but I am willing to accept it, why do you feel that you have to tell that person how they feel inside.

OK that went away from the science a bit but my point stands that biologically they are different to how they feel and what they want/need to be seen as, it is not hard to accept that. It does not change my life or yours one bit.



Thanks for clarifying, it actually makes sense and is a valid argument. I suppose it will depend on what we are saying is 'oppression'. If we are talking about the specific idea of a one gender area/space then I can see why it could mean that some people are made uncomfortable, I am sure that when girls were first officially allowed in the cubs/scouts, etc. it caused some awkwardness about existing ideologies. However, these ideologies adapt and change through time and there are so many caveats to this argument that it is impossible to talk about in a general sense. For example, what is the space designed for, who are the people using the space, how open are they to different people using the space, etc. and more etc..

You say name, this is something else that people change and is an accepting part of society. I get frustrated when people get my name wrong but I doubt my frustration is even a small part of how frustrated people get when they have legally changed their name and people still call them by their old name, whether that is because of a messy divorce, family issues or even, god forbid, a person changing their gender identity (There is another phrase for you to get all upset and angry about).

Biology is one thing but it is not the only thing, as I mentioned it is a fact that I was born in the south but I don't necessarily identify as a southerner, it is fact that I was born there but that does not change my own thoughts and feelings, does it. You must have feelings that may differ from a biological, geographical, societal facts, somebodies gender compared to their biological fact is no different to this.
How you feel and what you are two distinct things. What do you question cat people? And what if they reply meow?

I could feel like an American but I’ll be deported without a green card.

Why are we the majority jumping through hoops when we can just ask sex, time tested method. Say you’re doing consultation middle age health check.

Do you have boobs?

Do you bleed?

Does it take twice as long than if asking male or female sex due to issues exclusive to each sex and long list of exclusive questions?

I’m all for some minority causes this is getting ridiculous and will do more harm than good.
 
How you feel and what you are two distinct things. What do you question cat people? And what if they reply meow?

I could feel like an American but I’ll be deported without a green card.

Why are we the majority jumping through hoops when we can just ask sex, time tested method. Say you’re doing consultation middle age health check.

Do you have boobs?

Do you bleed?

Does it take twice as long than if asking male or female sex due to issues exclusive to each sex and long list of exclusive questions?

I’m all for some minority causes this is getting ridiculous and will do more harm than good.
It doesn’t do any harm, that’s the point. People like you making up stories about it is the only driver here.

Just let people be ffs
 
Aye, sledgehammer to crack a nut. You don't deal with underlying systemic issues with targets unfortunately. One could argue that the intention - greater representation and equality of opportunity is fine - but the methodology is not fit for purpose. Unless you are saying the needs of white men are pre-eminent?

But back to my original point of departure, is this the sort of thing John Lewis was doing?
 
Your argument of just let people be when the action affects other people makes no sense.

Woman are complaining about shared toilets etc.
Mate, the amount of instances of this compared to the ridiculous over reaction from you and the other million gammons is effin laughable.

Why aren’t you constantly moaning about catholic priests or met police officers? Yiu have totally fallen for this fake news about trans people ruining the world.

If I’m honest, I’ve never met a bright gammon and you’ve confirmed this in spades.

Go for a walk and consider why you waste so much anger, energy and emotion on such an insignificant thing
 
Mate, the amount of instances of this compared to the ridiculous over reaction from you and the other million gammons is effin laughable.

Why aren’t you constantly moaning about catholic priests or met police officers? Yiu have totally fallen for this fake news about trans people ruining the world.

If I’m honest, I’ve never met a bright gammon and you’ve confirmed this in spades.

Go for a walk and consider why you waste so much anger, energy and emotion on such an insignificant thing
Its laughable that they accuse wokey pokeys of getting offended by everything.

When all these free thinkers do is just search for things to be offended by.

Madness these fellas yano.
 
How you feel and what you are two distinct things. What do you question cat people? And what if they reply meow?

I could feel like an American but I’ll be deported without a green card.

Why are we the majority jumping through hoops when we can just ask sex, time tested method. Say you’re doing consultation middle age health check.

Do you have boobs?

Do you bleed?

Does it take twice as long than if asking male or female sex due to issues exclusive to each sex and long list of exclusive questions?

I’m all for some minority causes this is getting ridiculous and will do more harm than good.

I think you are going way too far with this. The crux was that you are angry with the question 'Are you Pregnant' and how much time and money this costs but if this is what we are talking about then that is the most efficient way of determining if you are pregnant.

I will answer each point though.

How you feel and what you are two distinct things. What do you question cat people? And what if they reply meow?

I don't understand people who want to be animals, when you see pictures of tattoos and reconstruction surgery. I remember seeing people who had their tongue split to look like a lizard, etc. I do not understand and will never understand it. However, they may be nice people, so I will refrain from full judgement on who they are as people.

Why are we the majority jumping through hoops when we can just ask sex, time tested method. Say you’re doing consultation middle age health check.

I have no idea what that last part means, sorry. What middle age health check? Are you wanting this or not wanting this, it is not clear. In regards to the first part, nobody is jumping through hoops. It is just a simple change of the language we use, it has happened a hundred times over, do we still talk like we are in Elizabethan times, like we are characters in Romeo & Juliet, no we don't. Terminology updates, language changes as humanity evolves.

Do you have boobs?

I have put a bit of weight on, so yes I do have boobs. Joking aside, not sure that is one of the questions on a medical exam, or ever will be to be honest. it is not an argument to say that something that has not happened is a reason to get angry. I am not going to get angry and say 'I can't believe that they could potentially ask if I have ever seen a man eat his own head, it is just beyond ridiculous'

Do you bleed?

See above.

Does it take twice as long than if asking male or female sex due to issues exclusive to each sex and long list of exclusive questions?

See the first point, this is where I think the original rant falls down. Either you ask one simple question and get angry or they ask multiple questions and get angry as you have also stated that it is wasting time an money asking if you are pregnant. Which one do you want?

I’m all for some minority causes this is getting ridiculous and will do more harm than good.

It will only do harm if people allow it to do harm. If they change the language on a medical form to be more inclusive then that hurts nobody, literally no harm is done. If somebody shouts, complains, rants, protests publicly, about that change, then that has the potential to harm.
 
Aye, sledgehammer to crack a nut. You don't deal with underlying systemic issues with targets unfortunately. One could argue that the intention - greater representation and equality of opportunity is fine - but the methodology is not fit for purpose. Unless you are saying the needs of white men are pre-eminent?

But back to my original point of departure, is this the sort of thing John Lewis was doing?
Yeah least we agree on somethingish finally!

For me equality of opportunity is important then outcomes should follow from that but there is the issue of how do you measure equality of opportunity without measuring equality of outcome, then do we end in a world where has to be 50% men and woman 50% etc or else it’s bad. Where equality of opportunity would have lead to unequal outcome.

It’s not easy question / problem to formulate or solve + also working class poor background fitting in.


As for John Lewis direct evidence couldn’t find purely hired for diversity, she had little experience in online retail and it was a disaster appointment either way.

For me best person for the job should get it, that’s it no other criteria.
 
How you feel and what you are two distinct things. What do you question cat people? And what if they reply meow?

I could feel like an American but I’ll be deported without a green card.

Why are we the majority jumping through hoops when we can just ask sex, time tested method. Say you’re doing consultation middle age health check.

Do you have boobs?

Do you bleed?

Does it take twice as long than if asking male or female sex due to issues exclusive to each sex and long list of exclusive questions?

I’m all for some minority causes this is getting ridiculous and will do more harm than good.
Ironically you can transition from non-greencard to greencard status and even full citizenship.

Bad analogy there, bud.
 
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