The West Ham Thread
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Sad thing for West Ham is Tottenham play us for the last game
I like Nuno and wanted to see him relegate an ex-club but it isn't to be. I certainly wouldn't him as a manager.
According to Sadiq Khan, it could cost Londoners up to £2.5 million per year, if West Ham get relegated. This is due to the deal Boris Johnson did regarding the stadium.
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C'mon, West Ham. Beat Newcastle, and we'll help you out against Tottenham!
Not sure if this is a real quote or not, but its bang on for me;
Joe Cole on the Spurs vs Leeds United game
“Listen, I’m trying to understand how football fans are supposed to trust this anymore because what we saw in that Spurs vs Leeds game was absolute theatre. You freeze the live image and Dominic Calvert-Lewin is CLEARLY onside. You can literally see daylight between him and the last defender. Then suddenly VAR pulls out this cartoon animation with lines drawn from places nobody can even explain properly and now he’s magically offside? Come on.
And the worst part is what happened after it. If DCL is onside and from the real broadcast angle he absolutely looks onside, then the entire phase continues and you’re talking about a blatant penalty on him by Destiny Udogie in the box. Udogie doesn’t get the ball, clips the man, stops him getting through, and somehow VAR completely wipes the whole thing away because of an offside call that looks manufactured from a computer model instead of reality.
This is the problem with modern officiating. The live image says one thing, the ‘3D model’ says another, and conveniently the decision ends up favouring Tottenham in a relegation battle. That’s what’s going to infuriate people. Because if this happens to Leeds or Everton, everyone says ‘unlucky’. But when it’s Spurs needing points to survive, suddenly we get forensic geometry and invisible body parts deciding football matches.
People keep saying ‘trust the process’, what process? Fans are watching a real image with their own eyes and then being told to ignore it because a cartoon graphic generated five seconds later says otherwise. Football’s becoming less about the game and more about who can manipulate freeze frames best.
If that’s given at the other end against Leeds, I guarantee nobody overturns it. No chance. That’s why supporters feel like the game is being controlled instead of officiated. Spurs got away with one massively today, and Leeds fans have every right to feel robbed.”
Joe Cole on the Spurs vs Leeds United game
“Listen, I’m trying to understand how football fans are supposed to trust this anymore because what we saw in that Spurs vs Leeds game was absolute theatre. You freeze the live image and Dominic Calvert-Lewin is CLEARLY onside. You can literally see daylight between him and the last defender. Then suddenly VAR pulls out this cartoon animation with lines drawn from places nobody can even explain properly and now he’s magically offside? Come on.
And the worst part is what happened after it. If DCL is onside and from the real broadcast angle he absolutely looks onside, then the entire phase continues and you’re talking about a blatant penalty on him by Destiny Udogie in the box. Udogie doesn’t get the ball, clips the man, stops him getting through, and somehow VAR completely wipes the whole thing away because of an offside call that looks manufactured from a computer model instead of reality.
This is the problem with modern officiating. The live image says one thing, the ‘3D model’ says another, and conveniently the decision ends up favouring Tottenham in a relegation battle. That’s what’s going to infuriate people. Because if this happens to Leeds or Everton, everyone says ‘unlucky’. But when it’s Spurs needing points to survive, suddenly we get forensic geometry and invisible body parts deciding football matches.
People keep saying ‘trust the process’, what process? Fans are watching a real image with their own eyes and then being told to ignore it because a cartoon graphic generated five seconds later says otherwise. Football’s becoming less about the game and more about who can manipulate freeze frames best.
If that’s given at the other end against Leeds, I guarantee nobody overturns it. No chance. That’s why supporters feel like the game is being controlled instead of officiated. Spurs got away with one massively today, and Leeds fans have every right to feel robbed.”
Although joe cole does have some affinity to west ham. I wonder how fast the fa can cancel him.
In that bottom image, the second still appears to be the very first contact with the ball from the pass, and the still on top is a fraction of a second later as his foot is following through the ball more. So the below image second freeze frame would be the correct one for the VAR to use, sadly he is offside.
'appears', can't prove it - maybe that's why they have a *checks notes* 5cm tolerance in VAR offside technology
Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: Why was Wirtz's goal onside through VAR?
Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: Why was Wirtz's goal onside through VAR?
www.bbc.co.uk
"Offside or onside? Pick your frame." - and then draw a cartoon.
So much for giving the benefit of the doubt to the attacker...
West Ham social seem to love a fake quote, so chances are it's not really him saying it but there's a lot of truth in it for me. As per end of that BBC article I linked when it had to explain why Liverpool were given variance;
'Offside or onside? Pick your frame.'
You then produce an illustration and ref mm changes in split seconds and it becomes a nonsense.
For me, daylight with benefit to attacker. Not perfect, you'll still have issues with when the ball was played but a whole lot better than what we have now.
'appears', can't prove it - maybe that's why they have a *checks notes* 5cm tolerance in VAR offside technology
Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: Why was Wirtz's goal onside through VAR?
Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: Why was Wirtz's goal onside through VAR?
"Offside or onside? Pick your frame." - and then draw a cartoon.
I mean, has that 5cm rule been used before or since? That seems like something they made up on the day to explain away an embarrassing error. I don’t think I’d be taking that as an official rule or anything personally.
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Well, if Wet Spam do go down, I will have no sympathy for them. Bounced a Manager out who won them a European trophy in the belief that they were capable of better things without him. Now look where they are and we are. Good luck (or should that be bad cess to them) in the Championship with their Olympic Stadium...
Don’t think that’s ever actually been a thing either before or since VAR has it? It’s just a soundbite that pops up every now and again.
I know I've heard it, because the game is about goals etc, but I can't tell you where or from whom.