The UFC and Mixed Martial Arts Thread

[Steve0]

Ok mate.

McGregor aside, who's only ever fought one wrestler and got battered by him for two rounds on very short notice, can you name me someone "dominating" who's got no grappling background? Because I can name you Weidman, Johnson, Cormier, Jones, Werdum, Velasquez, Edgar, Dillashaw, GSP, Dos Anjos, the Diaz brothers, Fedor, Dan Henderson, Ben Henderson, Nurmagamedov etc. who were all wrestlers or high level BJJ players before entering MMA.

Mcgregor wasn't battered by mendes.

I didn't say they had no grappling background just that boxing is now the dominant skill.

The majority of those fighters you've listed rely heavily on boxing.

It's strange that MMA people are so reluctant to accept that boxing is the most useful skill. It's blindingly obvious, if you think about it. It's still a martial art, doesn't matter that it isn't 'eastern' it have graded belts.

 

[Steve0]

"Well, in '93, I was in prison, so there wouldn’t have been a fight, but there is no way I would have won. I had no idea what was going on with that type of fighting and would’ve been taken by surprise. I would have had to train in that particular art of fighting before that happened. That’s a particular art. You’re not going to go in there with just your hand and not have a great ground game. You also need a great wrestling game to be successful, and you won’t be exciting, as well. You have to have both games. You have to know how to wrestle and box. That’s just the truth."

- Mike Tyson, speaking about how a hypothetical fight with Royce Gracie would have went in 1993.

Hypothetical.

 

[Tubey]

Hypothetical.

Isn't that what we're discussing here? And when you get Mike bloody Tyson saying there's no way he would have won an MMA fight, isn't that a pretty solid source?!

 

[Steve0]

Have you ever tried defending a takedown attempt mate? It's harder than it looks. I'd be incredibly surprised if Mayweather, without training, would be able to go 10 seconds without being on the floor. James Toney couldn't for a start.

In an MMA match, 90% of the time an MMA fighter wins. In a boxing match, 99% of the time the boxer wins. It really is as simple as that.

Well if he were to fight rousey he'd have some training I'd have thought.

This idea that he'd lose had a glimmer of credibility prior to the holm fight. Looks a bit silly now tbh.

 

[Tubey]

Well if he were to fight rousey he'd have some training I'd have thought.

This idea that he'd lose had a glimmer of credibility prior to the holm fight. Looks a bit silly now tbh.

Holm is a mixed martial artist. She finished with a kick to the head, for example, and survived via takedown defence prior to the knock out finish - with a kick to the head.

If Holm had boxed her way to a knockout, maybe you'd have a point. You very definitely do not though.

 

[Azzurri]

Mcgregor wasn't battered by mendes.

I didn't say they had no grappling background just that boxing is now the dominant skill.

The majority of those fighters you've listed rely heavily on boxing.

It's strange that MMA people are so reluctant to accept that boxing is the most useful skill. It's blindingly obvious, if you think about it. It's still a martial art, doesn't matter that it isn't 'eastern' it have graded belts.

He did until he gassed. Mendes repeatedly took him down and landed hard strikes from the top. And there's no way they all rely on boxing. Kickboxing and Muay Thai maybe, but only Edgar and the Diaz brothers mainly box while standing while Cormier, Nurmagamedov, Weidman and GSP are massively reliant on their wrestling and the rest at least grapple regularly.

Well if he were to fight rousey he'd have some training I'd have thought.

This idea that he'd lose had a glimmer of credibility prior to the holm fight. Looks a bit silly now tbh.

Well that's not the question is it. May as well say if my 5 year old cousin had 25 years of training and grew to be 6 foot 6 250lbs he'd beat a 64 year old Mayweather. The question is if Mayweather and Rousey fought in their current state (injuries aside).

 

[Azzurri]

@Steve0

You do realise Holm has been grappling for years at arguably the world's best MMA training camp surrounded by wrestlers and grappling daily?

If she stepped out of the boxing ring straight in to an octagon with no prior grappling experience and beat Rousey you'd have a point. But she didn't. The only boxer to have done anything close to that is James Toney who was taken down at the first attempt and submitted in the first round.

I think you just don't understand the sport, mate.

 

[Steve0]

Holm is a mixed martial artist. She finished with a kick to the head, for example, and survived via takedown defence prior to the knock out finish - with a kick to the head.

If Holm had boxed her way to a knockout, maybe you'd have a point. You very definitely do not though.

The fight was over from the punch and there was barely any takedown defence other than keeping Rousey at range.

 

[Steve0]

@Steve0

You do realise Holm has been grappling for years at arguably the world's best MMA training camp surrounded by wrestlers and grappling daily?

If she stepped out of the boxing ring straight in to an octagon with no prior grappling experience and beat Rousey you'd have a point. But she didn't. The only boxer to have done anything close to that is James Toney who was taken down at the first attempt and submitted in the first round.

I think you just don't understand the sport, mate.

That's ok, think what you want. But if you think Rousey would be Mayweather I'd submit that it's you with the lesser understanding.

 

[Tubey]

The fight was over from the punch and there was barely any takedown defence other than keeping Rousey at range.

She escaped a grounding from Rousey and re-established her standup dominance in the first round. If she was a pure boxer, the fight would have been over right there.

Sorry mate, but you have no clue about the subject you're talking about. There's no shame in that as you clearly don't like the sport, but you're in over your head in trying to discuss it when you have no knowledge of it.

 

[Azzurri]

That's ok, think what you want. But if you think Rousey would be Mayweather I'd submit that it's you with the lesser understanding.

Ok mate x

 

[FTY]

Pretty good card tonight

 

[Azzurri]

Pretty good card tonight

After 194 and the Dos Anjos vs Cerrone card this seems like a let down to me. Condit vs Lawler should be a great fight, though, and I'm looking forward to Michael McDonald's return as well as Duffy vs Porier. Can see the rest being a bit boring.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Besides those bigger BJJ people wouldn't have Floyd's boxing skills so it's a tad irrelevant.

Not really

Just because you can punch doesn't mean you can grapple

And the question is whether Mayweather, with no training, could beat Rousey in an MMA fight

She's been doing the sport for years, he hasn't. There's no way she wouldn't be the favourite in that situation

It's like asking a goalkeeper to play as a striker when he's never done it before. It's a completely different skill set

 

[Azzurri]

Jesus. What a finish by McDonald.