The Spurs situation and Everton

[Groucho]

And even if they don't.

Indeed

 

[Jeff Jones]

I’m talking in terms of club size not shock value. Aston Villa going down in 2016 wasnt a shock , they were horrendous.

It's probably an age thing. I don't like this 'Big club-Small club' concept. I remember when Sheffield Wednesday, Preston, Bolton and Blackpool were big clubs and Aston Villa have won 0ne League championship and one FA Cup since 1910 and have been relegated five times in my time. They were out of the top flight from 1967 to 1975. That's probably why I wouldn't be shocked if they went down again. Oh, I know they won the EC and a few League Cups along the way.

 

[larbert toffee]

Spurs are seemingly spiralling out of control and the “cheese room” is more Dairylea than Neals Yard.

What can Everton learn from this?

Is the situation caused by over expansion or a focus on Europe? Has the constant Managerial changes made the club unstable?

Should we sign Richarlison? Anyone else?

Have they focused too much on corporate activity and the stadium?

They'll be on the phone asking what they can learn from us.
We were never totally out of control as Spurs are now, they're in total freefall.

 

[Bedfordblue]

They'll be on the phone asking what they can learn from us.
We were never totally out of control as Spurs are now, they're in total freefall.

What would Everton do?

 

[Marcus Kendall]

What would Everton do?

Appoint Rafael Benitez....

 

[KevMirallas]

Currently rewatching the Palace game in the PL archives for some reason. The key differences between that Everton and this Spurs are:

1) The Everton players are utterly desperate to save the club. The mistakes they are making are almost from over-exertion, caring too much. Coleman is often the biggest culprit but they're all guilty of it. I'm not sure the Spurs players are anywhere near as engaged right now.

2) This Spurs team is far more talented. We've got Keane and Holgate as the CB pair in just about the biggest game in the club's history. Mykolenko is somehow an even less refined version of 2026 Mykolenko. Doucoure is playing deeper, and his quality on the ball has never really changed. Andre Gomes, everybody knows. It's remarkable Tottenham are in this situation with the teams they can put out, and I do think they'll almost accidentally stumble out of danger eventually because of that talent.

3) The Goodison crowd is unlike anything else in the league. I had forgotten what it was like in the last weeks of that season and especially that night. It's positively feral. This club would be finished if not for the people inside that stadium, and every decision the club makes in this new era should keep that in mind.

The fact Everton had two, and realistically three seasons at this level of stress and survived is incredible. Miraculous even. Even if Spurs do pull out of it this season, do they have the heart for three of these? Surely not. I have no real bad feelings towards Tottenham but find myself watching their plight with a perverse interest. Their situation is not the same as ours, but it's as close as we'll see for a long time. A club like Forest is probably more deserving of the fate of relegation, and Leeds's attitude towards Everton in our darkest days means I certainly wouldn't mind some misfortune falling their way. But I think everyone is a little interested to see a world in which Tottenham go down. It really is unfathomable given the utterly broken heirarchy of modern football.

 

[NathDogg]

Appoint Rafael Benitez....

In think it’s hilarious that the media are actually pushing dyche into the conversation as some superhero to save them!

Even Jabba the Greek at Notts Forest saw through that useless Tory fraud.

 

[larbert toffee]

What would Everton do?

We're still here to tell the tale mate, we got behind the team, the players kept their discipline, not so much what the club directorship did it's what the fans and players did that got us through it all.

 

[larbert toffee]

In think it’s hilarious that the media are actually pushing dyche into the conversation as some superhero to save them!

Even Jabba the Greek at Notts Forest saw through that useless Tory fraud.

And may they keep on pushing him into the job
Though I think it'll take something pretty spectacular to halt the Spurs slide it's like the players have given up and lost their discipline.

 

[Bedfordblue]

We're still here to tell the tale mate, we got behind the team, the players kept their discipline, not so much what the club directorship did it's what the fans and players did that got us through it all.

I know, couldn’t resist the old line though.

Don’t think enough Spurs fans have got it in them to be honest, and most of their players aren’t showing much heart.
Personally I think the other teams, WHU in particular, are more likely due to run in etc, but I’d prefer spurs to drop just to give all the Scan 6 and Sky some food for thought.
If they stay up it will be interesting to see how next season goes for them though.

 

[Caolam]

Spurs are an example of what happens to a club when you try to stand still, they had contested a European Cup final and were moving along nicely in the league. Things were good at Spurs but they stopped improving, they thought they had arrived, they then sold their talisman Harry Kane. When things had turned slightly sour they pressed the panic button. Players who flattered to deceive were bought and then they started the managerial merry-go-round, more players were bought, manager sacked, more players. The identity was lost and the spiral commenced. They need to recognise, as do we, a football club is a big beast and takes time to change, they need to stabilise and that means excepting they are bottom half for thr moment. Bring in a Martin O’Neill type of character, someone who will get the players they have playing. Get a system which will get enough points to stay up. It is only after they have halted the slide that they can look to improve. I read a post on here which said we were never as bad as Spurs are now, we had points deductions, our Board couldn’t go to games, we needed a goal to stay up. We were turning to the likes of Fat Sam, the Spanish Waiter and Sean Dyche, we were a basket case. Spurs haven’t reached our levels of incompetence but they are well on their way. I don’t care if they go down, I don’t care what happens to other clubs I only care about what happens to Everton. We are on the up, last year we stabilised, this year we are improving and hopefully next year we improve again. The thing I hope we always remember is that a foundation takes time to set and is difficult to achieve but it is very easily destroyed, Spurs are perfect examples of this.

 

[jazzy]

Currently rewatching the Palace game in the PL archives for some reason. The key differences between that Everton and this Spurs are:

1) The Everton players are utterly desperate to save the club. The mistakes they are making are almost from over-exertion, caring too much. Coleman is often the biggest culprit but they're all guilty of it. I'm not sure the Spurs players are anywhere near as engaged right now.

2) This Spurs team is far more talented. We've got Keane and Holgate as the CB pair in just about the biggest game in the club's history. Mykolenko is somehow an even less refined version of 2026 Mykolenko. Doucoure is playing deeper, and his quality on the ball has never really changed. Andre Gomes, everybody knows. It's remarkable Tottenham are in this situation with the teams they can put out, and I do think they'll almost accidentally stumble out of danger eventually because of that talent.

3) The Goodison crowd is unlike anything else in the league. I had forgotten what it was like in the last weeks of that season and especially that night. It's positively feral. This club would be finished if not for the people inside that stadium, and every decision the club makes in this new era should keep that in mind.

The fact Everton had two, and realistically three seasons at this level of stress and survived is incredible. Miraculous even. Even if Spurs do pull out of it this season, do they have the heart for three of these? Surely not. I have no real bad feelings towards Tottenham but find myself watching their plight with a perverse interest. Their situation is not the same as ours, but it's as close as we'll see for a long time. A club like Forest is probably more deserving of the fate of relegation, and Leeds's attitude towards Everton in our darkest days means I certainly wouldn't mind some misfortune falling their way. But I think everyone is a little interested to see a world in which Tottenham go down. It really is unfathomable given the utterly broken heirarchy of modern football.

Fabulous post a really interesting read.

 

[Bedfordblue]

The identity was lost and the spiral commenced. They need to recognise, as do we, a football club is a big beast and takes time to change, they need to stabilise and that means excepting they are bottom half for thr moment.

I’m not so sure it does take time to be honest.
I think with the right decisions and wise spending things can change just as quickly as they do when the wrong decisions and profligate spending occur .

To be able to compete in the top 4 takes time of course, as the money involved requires consistent success over time to generate the revenue to maintain it, but I’m not sure they have ever truly been an established top 4 team, other than 4 seasons 8-12 years ago.

So for me they’ve gone from a best of the rest contender to relegation fodder in 2 seasons. Whereas we’ve gone from relegation fodder to what looks like being one of the best of the rest (position wise at least) in one season.
If they stay up and make the right choices, they have the money to be back up there in no time imo.

For me it’s the leadership that dictates the pace of change.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

In think it’s hilarious that the media are actually pushing dyche into the conversation as some superhero to save them!

Even Jabba the Greek at Notts Forest saw through that useless Tory fraud.

Well Dyche has his chums in the media who ignore his shortcomings and dire style of football and they like to champion him as a no nonsense gets players back to basics and sorts out the primadonna players as if that's what these clubs need. In reality as he showed at Forest he doesn't know what to do beyond basic coaching even with players of a higher calibre so if Spurs go down the Dyche road they've fallen into the same trap that the media spin as a manager who's a specialist in avoiding relegation (he's not)

 

[Marcus Kendall]

Spurs are an example of what happens to a club when you try to stand still, they had contested a European Cup final and were moving along nicely in the league. Things were good at Spurs but they stopped improving, they thought they had arrived, they then sold their talisman Harry Kane. When things had turned slightly sour they pressed the panic button. Players who flattered to deceive were bought and then they started the managerial merry-go-round, more players were bought, manager sacked, more players. The identity was lost and the spiral commenced. They need to recognise, as do we, a football club is a big beast and takes time to change, they need to stabilise and that means excepting they are bottom half for thr moment. Bring in a Martin O’Neill type of character, someone who will get the players they have playing. Get a system which will get enough points to stay up. It is only after they have halted the slide that they can look to improve. I read a post on here which said we were never as bad as Spurs are now, we had points deductions, our Board couldn’t go to games, we needed a goal to stay up. We were turning to the likes of Fat Sam, the Spanish Waiter and Sean Dyche, we were a basket case. Spurs haven’t reached our levels of incompetence but they are well on their way. I don’t care if they go down, I don’t care what happens to other clubs I only care about what happens to Everton. We are on the up, last year we stabilised, this year we are improving and hopefully next year we improve again. The thing I hope we always remember is that a foundation takes time to set and is difficult to achieve but it is very easily destroyed, Spurs are perfect examples of this.

Nah Spurs are an example of poor recruitment and poor management hires. Going from Pochettino to Mourinho is self sabotage in my opinion