The Players: are they giving 100%?

The Players: are they giving 100% effort now?

  • Yes

    Votes: 21 8.6%

  • No

    Votes: 222 91.4%
  • Total voters
    243
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maccavennie said:
LAST SEASON DID NOT HAPPEN. I REPEAT LAST SEASON DID NOT HAPPEN. That's for anyone who wants to dismiss last season when we fluked 21 wins and qualified for Europe.
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God knows.

Must have been the unknown quantity factor.

That plus many of our players are ageing quickly... Baines, Jagielka, Distin, Howard, Barry... that's half of the starting XI.

Plus Lukaku was arguably playing to earn a contract.

All reasons why it 'worked' last year but isn't working this season.
 

maccavennie said:
Agreed mate, it's like he's asking them to pass the ball to feet and show patience and then be confident with the ball. A bit like what he done last season, do you remember mate when we recorded our record points total, had the 3rd meanest defence, won 21 games playing that weird brand of football he asked the same squad to do. What a tit he is for asking them to do the same thing again lol
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And now teams sit back and watch us make 350 passes per game from the Bullens to Goodison Road and back. The quicker passing forward momentum has been negated this year.
 
maccavennie said:
LAST SEASON DID NOT HAPPEN. I REPEAT LAST SEASON DID NOT HAPPEN. That's for anyone who wants to dismiss last season when we fluked 21 wins and qualified for Europe.
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Complete fluke. 38 games. WTF can you conclude after that handful of games? And 72 points...well, it's not 82 points is all I've got to say about that....and we fluked them anyway.
 

butters said:
God knows.

Must have been the unknown quantity factor.

That plus many of our players are ageing quickly... Baines, Jagielka, Distin, Howard, Barry... that's half of the starting XI.

Plus Lukaku was arguably playing to earn a contract.

All reasons why it 'worked' last year but isn't working this season.
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Yes, they're all clearly ageing at a faster rate than Lukaku, Mccarthy and Besic too. Its terrible to see our squad aging at a rate x20,000 times faster than every other team in the league!

Its all Distin's fault. He's turned Finch Farm into an OAP home

@davek
 
bizzaro said:
Yes, they're all clearly ageing at a faster rate than Lukaku, Mccarthy and Besic too. Its terrible to see our squad aging at a rate x20,000 times faster than every other team in the league!

Its all Distin's fault. He's turned Finch Farm into an OAP home

@davek
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Nice reply but you know exactly what I mean.

Players legs can go seemingly in the blink of an eye, and this appears to have happened to both Distin and Barry. Not quite sure what's happened to Howard, but perhaps he's got his mind on a move back to the States.

Seeing as players don't hit their peak until 26/27/28, those three you mentioned I wouldn't expect massive improvements in the space of a season.
 
butters said:
Nice reply but you know exactly what I mean.

Players legs can go seemingly in the blink of an eye, and this appears to have happened to both Distin and Barry. Not quite sure what's happened to Howard, but perhaps he's got his mind on a move back to the States.

Seeing as players don't hit their peak until 26/27/28, those three you mentioned I wouldn't expect massive improvements in the space of a season.
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Get rid of Distin and Alcaraz immediately. Osman and Hibbert in the summer.

Then we are fine. Howard can have a staggered withdrawal.
 
bizzaro said:
Get rid of Distin and Alcaraz immediately. Osman and Hibbert in the summer.

Then we are fine. Howard can have a staggered withdrawal.
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New contract for Hibbo, sell Baines, Oviedo and Garbutt, then Hibbo left back until 2019.
 

I know there was an argument on tackles so I collected some stats because I know how You like it :)

Mins played / tackles / tackles won ( in order of attempted tackles)

Barry: 1543 / 40 / 34
Baines: 1710 / 31 / 26
McCarthy: 1104 / 30 / 23
Naismith: 1280 / 30 / 23
Besic: 692 / 29 / 22
Coleman: 1445 / 28 / 22
Jagielka: 1665 / 24 / 21
Distin: 1074 / 21 / 14
Barkley: 966 / 19 / 15
Mirallas: 863 / 11 / 10
Alcaraz: 433 / 11 / 9
Stones: 513 / 10 / 9


I haven't watched the others, just Osman and McGeady but they were below 10. Top five is ok, but the 30/23 and Besic's 29/22 ratio means just around 70-75 % succes. But watching the played mins too I can' really argue with him that he really-really likes to tackle. Don't know if anyone can figure out anything about this apart from @bizzaro : Naismith is good at this too. :)
 
Hungariansupport said:
I know there was an argument on tackles so I collected some stats because I know how You like it :)

Mins played / tackles / tackles won ( in order of attempted tackles)

Barry: 1543 / 40 / 34
Baines: 1710 / 31 / 26
McCarthy: 1104 / 30 / 23
Naismith: 1280 / 30 / 23
Besic: 692 / 29 / 22
Coleman: 1445 / 28 / 22
Jagielka: 1665 / 24 / 21
Distin: 1074 / 21 / 14
Barkley: 966 / 19 / 15
Mirallas: 863 / 11 / 10
Alcaraz: 433 / 11 / 9
Stones: 513 / 10 / 9


I haven't watched the others, just Osman and McGeady but they were below 10. Top five is ok, but the 30/23 and Besic's 29/22 ratio means just around 70-75 % succes. But watching the played mins too I can' really argue with him that he really-really likes to tackle. Don't know if anyone can figure out anything about this apart from @bizzaro : Naismith is good at this too. :)
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Get rid of Distin

@davek
 
this is a team that martinez has built and achieved with just last season. McCarthy, Barry, Lukaku, Eto'o, all big investments. Promotion of Barkley to first team.

there is no acceptable reason the players should be playing with any less intensity and the buck stops with the man they play for.
 
maccavennie said:
Last season didn't happen mate, write those 72 points off because it was all a hazy dream
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Not sure what last season has to do with anything. Sport is in the here and now and it's just not happening atm. There was no desire to change a 3 at the back system that was patently not working on Thursday.we have a thirty/forty odd year old never done anything striker leading the line with full backs at CM and CM's at centre half. Anyway hope he can sort it cos that was an utter shambles.
 

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