The Pespective Thread

[Dymak]

By that I mean the off-the-field Everton are much more fun and enjoyable than they were in years past.

Perhaps that doesn't matter to you, but I've gotten some smiles out of the "Bring Me Sunshine" music video and thought the Umbro reveal was a great tribute to the fans.

Perhaps the players could do a music video to Whigfield's 'Saturday Night'? That would definitely make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, and it would be a clear indication that we are progressing as a football club.

 

[deipnosophist]

It's difficult to have perspective after that weekend. Need a few days to recover. The Wigan result has broken me

 

[bignev23]

Whether its Moyes or Martinez we just don't ever seem to have two good halves to a season either start crap and finish strong or the opposite. The players brought in in January have had no effect on improving us or even sustaining the level we were at before christmas, Still i'm fairly happy with Martinez first season but its not turning out to be the dream start I thought it might have been when we were beating Man Utd and being the better team at the Emirates. Reality has definitely bitten, 6-8th was always a realistic finish and I think we'll still achieve that unfortunately I can't see my expectations next year being any different.

 

[toffeejack]

Whether its Moyes or Martinez we just don't ever seem to have two good halves to a season either start crap and finish strong or the opposite. The players brought in in January have had no effect on improving us or even sustaining the level we were at before christmas, Still i'm fairly happy with Martinez first season but its not turning out to be the dream start I thought it might have been when we were beating Man Utd and being the better team at the Emirates. Reality has definitely bitten, 6-8th was always a realistic finish and I think we'll still achieve that unfortunately I can't see my expectations next year being any different.

a mass of injuries at the wrong time was our downfall, we seem to get a mass of injuries every season though, so i can't sit here and say it'll be different next season. but we did need more in jan, especially not two players who weren't match fit

 

[davek]

Whether its Moyes or Martinez we just don't ever seem to have two good halves to a season either start crap and finish strong or the opposite. The players brought in in January have had no effect on improving us or even sustaining the level we were at before christmas, Still i'm fairly happy with Martinez first season but its not turning out to be the dream start I thought it might have been when we were beating Man Utd and being the better team at the Emirates. Reality has definitely bitten, 6-8th was always a realistic finish and I think we'll still achieve that unfortunately I can't see my expectations next year being any different.

We start out each season with just a little more than a first team and a bench as credible starters. It's no real surprise when after 25 games or so are played by a core of those first teamers the wheels start falling off.

We need at least 18/19 credible first team starters at the begining of a season and the ability to strengthen in January if we're to avoid the Jekyll and Hyde season's you outline.

 

[deipnosophist]

a mass of injuries at the wrong time was our downfall, we seem to get a mass of injuries every season though, so i can't sit here and say it'll be different next season. but we did need more in jan, especially not two players who weren't match fit

mind boggling transfers those two were. Especially Traore.

 

[toffeejack]

mind boggling transfers those two were. Especially Traore.

well, if he didn't get injured again before chelsea and knocked in 6 or 7 until the end of the season, we wouldn't be saying that, but yeah. i said at the time, as soon as lukaku got injured, we needed another striker as well.

 

[GaryM]

We have had a much better season than people thought we would back in August and it was great to get a good boost from the summer window. We could get 5th which would be an improvement but in reality we will never go any higher as we are skint. Look at what the other teams have spent to top up already impressive squads and they will spend again, realistically how can we compete to get in the CL? After a disasterous season Man Utd will continue to throw money around and Spurs always do anyway, £90m last summer and probably after getting rid of a few they will spend again. If we sell say Ross Barkley for £80m in a couple of years how much would be spent on players? We know that it wouldn't be the full £80m so again we are falling short.
After the Wigan result today I'm absolutely gutted as it could have been ours. Another problem we have is that we are a good team and all the top teams are up for it when they play us and clearly Arsenal were yesterday when the previous week at Stoke they weren't. Also I have said all season that when we play the other top clubs we need everybody fit and to play our strongest 11. We missed Jags yesterday and a half fit team in the derby showed how limited we are to compete at that level, even Jose Mourinho couldn't work such a miracle here if there is no money for him to spend and also trawling through the below £10m player market.

 

[BoysInBlue]

Sick of the same old, same old.

But I'm used to it. They let you down time and time and time again.

The feeling I had coming out of the Emirates is the same feeling I had 12 months earlier vs Wigan, and 12 months earlier than that vs Liverpool at Wembley. Opportunity lost. The semi final draw makes it even more sickening.

Yeah yeah.... we know all the superficial positives - we play nice football now, well.... we did up to Boxing Day, then things went a bit pear-shaped.

At the end of the day, we're going to finish in and around about the same position as last season, potless again, with a couple of our key players potentially not at the club next season. In fact one of them (Lukaku) almost certainly.

So what 'progress' have we really made, honestly? Staying in the same place isn't progress, it is consolidation. And after several years of 'consolidation', it becomes 'static'.

Delighting in the fact that the club hasn't fallen apart post-Moyes is not something I really partake in, given that I always thought Martinez would be a competent replacement from the very start. Martinez proving some doubters wrong isn't much to celebrate if you're an Everton fan that's actually only bothered about what the club does and not a manager's personal victories.

 

[Woolly Blue]

Getting bounced out of the FA Cup in such a dismal fashion sucks.

Seeing the Champions League dreams slip away sucks.

But we're in year one of a new era that has seen the aura of the club we know and love glow warmer and brighter. Despite a new manager and new tactics, we're still doing as well as or better than we did last year and still have a great shot at Europa League qualification. Which, starting next year, is another avenue to Champions League glory.

Perspective, lads. If this is our rebuilding year, our best days are ahead of us. You will have my permission to fume all you want on September 1st, 2014 at 12:01 AM if the summer window goes poorly.

Until then, perspective.

UP THE MO' FUGGIN TOFFEES.

You're spot on mate. It's still hurting though so you should vault yourself mid- April when it'll be looking a lot better.

 

[davids]

I agree with all the posts ref investment,but thats when the scary stuff really starts.Will new owners put Goodison and Finch Farm under more mortgage debt,change our name,shirt colour,sack Martinez before we bank the cheque,get arrested for money laundring.......you get the idea I'm sure,It was bad enough with all the "Martinez took Wigan down are we next"?

 

[f.t.r.s]

perspective- win yesterdays game and we'd be faced with wigan, followed by hull/sheffield utd in order to win the fa cup.....

 

[ijjysmith]

perspective- win yesterdays game and we'd be faced with wigan, followed by hull/sheffield utd in order to win the fa cup.....

Not necessarily.

The butterfly effect suggests that should we have won yesterday the whole chain of events that followed would have been different.

Today's results may have been different. The draw may have been different. My mood definitely would have been different!

Pretty pointless living on what ifs.

For me anyway.

 

[parkendmaster]

perspective- win yesterdays game and we'd be faced with wigan, followed by hull/sheffield utd in order to win the fa cup.....

Who knocked us out last season and have already beaten Manchester City

 

[BoysInBlue]

Who knocked us out last season and have already beaten Manchester City

On paper we'd be facing a Championship club in an FA Cup semi-final, with the chance to play either a lower placed Prem team or a struggling League 1 side in the FA Cup Final.

Let's not dress this up as anything but a major missed opportunity.

When we got to the final in 2009, we had to beat Villa, Man Utd in the semis, and then got beat by 3rd placed Chelsea in the final.

When we got to the semis in 2012, we got beat by Liverpool, and would've had to face Chelsea again in the final.

This season would have been a brilliant opportunity to win something, as can be seen by the way Arsenal fans are celebrating and cannot believe their luck tonight. Yes, Wigan beat City. That doesn't mean they will beat Arsenal. There's a reason why Wigan are 7th in the Championship and not top.