The Official Bright Side

[chrissyjack]

I played West Ham v Everton on Pro Evo this morning and won 4-1. This could be an omen

 

[Muggins]

I played West Ham v Everton on Pro Evo this morning and won 4-1. This could be an omen

I suppose thats a start. who was in your staring 11?????

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Well we managed to get to a cup final without him.

Just saying like. He's not the most important player at the club. We have suffered more by losing Jags and Neville than we have Arteta.

We struggled past Boro and Manchester Utd's reserves without him. Lets not forget, Mikel Arteta was there against Macclesfield, Liverpool, Liverpool and Aston Villa, he was one of the main reasons we got through those games. He played a massive part in us getting to that final and finishing 5th.

He's our most important player, him playing in the middle of the park moves our football onto another level. His composure and ability in possession rubs off on others and his willingness to take possession cuts out alot of the hoofball we are seeing and will see until he returns.

We had Neville earlier in the season and we still weren't playing well, he's a very important player but not as important as Arteta or Pienaar.

'and is more effective than Arteta - why? because he can take players on, has a good corner on him, and has an immense engine and never stops running.'

I had to laugh at this, because it's rubbish to be honest. Pienaar plays outwide and Arteta plays in the middle, it's like comparing Fabregas to Ronaldo. You won't see Fabregas skinning players in the middle of the park because he's rarely in a position to do it. Pienaar plays outwide, he has more space and it's his job to run at players.

They are effective in different areas of the pitch, you have to get your head around that. It's quite clear, judging by your posts, that you still view Arteta as the frustrating wide player he had become.

 

[Goat]

TOLD.

 

[Muggins]

I had to laugh at this, because it's rubbish to be honest. Pienaar plays outwide and Arteta plays in the middle, it's like comparing Fabregas to Ronaldo. You won't see Fabregas skinning players in the middle of the park because he's rarely in a position to do it. Pienaar plays outwide, he has more space and it's his job to run at players.

They are effective in different areas of the pitch, you have to get your head around that. It's quite clear, judging by your posts, that you still view Arteta as the frustrating wide player he had become.

sorry to be picky.

Didn't he skin 3 Tottenham players last week and bury it in the bottom corner?

agreed though, it was quite rare for him to do that.

 

[Goat]

Ghost has a new theme tune.

YouTube - The Killers - Mr. Brightside

 

[GhostOfDixie]

We struggled past Boro and Manchester Utd's reserves without him. Lets not forget, Mikel Arteta was there against Macclesfield, Liverpool, Liverpool and Aston Villa, he was one of the main reasons we got through those games. He played a massive part in us getting to that final and finishing 5th.

He's our most important player, him playing in the middle of the park moves our football onto another level. His composure and ability in possession rubs off on others and his willingness to take possession cuts out alot of the hoofball we are seeing and will see until he returns.

We had Neville earlier in the season and we still weren't playing well, he's a very important player but not as important as Arteta or Pienaar.

'and is more effective than Arteta - why? because he can take players on, has a good corner on him, and has an immense engine and never stops running.'

I had to laugh at this, because it's rubbish to be honest. Pienaar plays outwide and Arteta plays in the middle, it's like comparing Fabregas to Ronaldo. You won't see Fabregas skinning players in the middle of the park because he's rarely in a position to do it. Pienaar plays outwide, he has more space and it's his job to run at players.

They are effective in different areas of the pitch, you have to get your head around that. It's quite clear, judging by your posts, that you still view Arteta as the frustrating wide player he had become.

Mate, I may not have gone to many games last season but I watched them all on the box in some way or another. For me I always Arteta as wide man, certainly not a Fabregas player.

But in the middle or out wide, he is supposed to be a creative outlet, I'm just saying I see Pienaar as being more effective.

It's my opinion and you should respect that.

 

[Goat]

Wingers should always been your creative outlet, most of the time they only have their full back to beat, so its a lot easier for them to supply balls into the box.

Centre Midfielders have almost an entire team in front of them.

If we could have 1 player back, fit, for the entire season, I would pick Arteta, hes a our heartbeat. He drives is forward.

Thats my opinion, you should take it in and make it your own.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

sorry to be picky.

Didn't he skin 3 Tottenham players last week and bury it in the bottom corner?

agreed though, it was quite rare for him to do that.

He did, but you know what I mean, it's not something he does week in week out nor do the majority of centre midfielders in European football.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

He did, but you know what I mean, it's not something he does week in week out nor do the majority of centre midfielders in European football.

But they are the driving force of the team aren't they?

Look, I always look at both sides of a players game. I don't automatically think they are amazing, I look to see how they can improve and where their faults are.

If I was a coach that is what I would do. Look to develop them, progress them. And not blow smoke up their arse.

Arteta has his faults. His set-pieces for the last two years have been very average, and when he is around nobody else really got a chance, and so corners and free-kicks were wasted more often than not.

Pienaar has his faults, I think he can lose concentration late in games, I just think he has become more effective than Arteta.

 

[Goat]

That becuase you have forgotten how great Arteta is. Go and watch the Spurs game from last season.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

That becuase you have forgotten how great Arteta is. Go and watch the Spurs game from last season.

I haven't forgotten, I just see both sides.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Really? Do you not think that Neville brings organisation and fight to the team?

Who else does? Would be interested to hear who?

Going to have to disagree with you on this one.

Arteta is more influential than Neville to our side. Much more.

 

[bluebastardo]

People have short memories in football.

When a player is playing well, they forget how bad they were the previous match, and vice versa.

Arteta is not the player everyone gives him credit for.

Yes, he is fabulous on his day, but he has many bad days too, and can go missing regularly, even in the middle.

He was injured in the middle of a good spell, which was a shame.
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Pienaar only started to develop once Arteta was out of the way, and played great the 2nd half of last season.

At the start of this season, he was below par, but started to build up steam again.

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We can't presume they will play well together when Arteta returns.
We can only hope.

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[ToxtethBlue]

Mate, I may not have gone to many games last season but I watched them all on the box in some way or another. For me I always Arteta as wide man, certainly not a Fabregas player.

But in the middle or out wide, he is supposed to be a creative outlet, I'm just saying I see Pienaar as being more effective.

It's my opinion and you should respect that.

He's probably not a Fabregas player, Fabregas is more offensive and plays in a more advanced position. A better example would have been a Paul Scholes or a Xabi Alonso - a deep lying playmaker.

His role is completely different to Pienaar, he spends the majority of the game in and around the centre circle and infront of his back four. Naturally, like alot of deep lying play makers, he's not going to clock up alot of goals or assists.

They are there to offer an out ball, they knit things together, start attacks and get attacking players into more advanced positions. Arteta provides creativity in a different area of the pitch, he's the dictator, Pienaar's the wing wizard.

He isn't this fancy dan attacking midfielder people make him out to be, his ability to adapt and play an attacking role over the years just shows how good a player he is. He started off as a holding/deep lying midfielder at Barca and finally, after years of wasting him outwide, Moyes has moved him back to his natural position.

I'm just trying to educate you my man, take it or leave it.