Current Affairs The next Tory (strong and stable) leader is Boris Johnson

[orchard]

That speech to the UN..

 

[Khalekan]

Quite right in what you say.

I was under the (mistaken) belief that the PM had grouped together the conference recess and the time he stated he wanted to allow for the Queen's Speech as a single prorogation.

Having said that, I still believe Parliamentary procedure should be outwith the ambit of the Judiciary.

So if a government is acting "unlawfully" how do you propose reining it in?

And remember, it will not always be a government you support which is taking these "unlawful" actions.

Do you think a government, of whatever hue, should be free to do whatever the heck it likes without fear of censure?

 

[Eggs]

....just heard Michael Gove being interviewed, amazing how blasé they are about yesterday’s ruling.

If I recall rightly, Gove was one of a number of candidates for the Tory leadership who made an anti-prorogation statement. Now this prorogation has been declared unlawful, it is sheer hypocracy that Gove and others are being so smug. I wish an interviewer would mention this to them.

No standards, no values, no decency.

 

[davek]

....just heard Michael Gove being interviewed, amazing how blasé they are about yesterday’s ruling.

If I recall rightly, Gove was one of a number of candidates for the Tory leadership who made an anti-prorogation statement. Now this prorogation has been declared unlawful, it is sheer hypocracy that Gove and others are being so smug. I wish an interviewer would mention this to them.

No standards, no values, no decency.

The Tories used to be the party of law and order, now they're the party of unlawful behaviour and disorder.

They might pick up a few knuckle dragger's votes in the next election they ordinarily wouldn't have, but the twin set and pearl voters in the Shires will be desetring them in droves.

 

[davek]

It's going to be lost because of the times we live in, but it really is truly astonishing that Johnson didn't resign today.

At any other point in the history of our country, the PM would have walked with a few hours of that court decision.

There's no accountability or dignity anymore. Instead, we just have 'strongman' politics where egos dig their heels in and try to get their own way by any means necessary.

Cameron started all this, by the way. The recent attempt to repaint him as some sort of victim is ludicrous.

They're actually trying to normalise what's happened in the last few weeks and especially yesterday. They're now peddling the line that "there's nothing to see here, just standard procedure"...after carrying out the greatest criminal political act of all time.

Be sure of this though: all their transgressions and misdemeanours are piling up, and they WILL be held accountable for them some day VERY soon. Forget the recent poll figures; when people get in that ballot box they'll not only be thinking about Brexit, they'll know they'll be voting for their government for the next 5 years. There is no way these incompetent bunch of gangsters are getting a majority in parliament. No way at all.

 

[aazak]

That speech to the UN..

 

[davek]

Three things:

1/ another calamitous foreign excursion from Johnson
2/ only his own UK entourage were amused...cackling like they thought it was a great wheeze that the PM of the UK had used his UN speech to intentionally talk gibberish on a world stage
3/ the lack of contrition on his part after being just found gulity of one of THE British political crimes in history

Imagine having him and the utter scum he surrounds himself with for 5 more years.

It'll never happen.

Laugh while you can you privileged buffoon. You'll get yours served up to you very soon.

 

[orchard]

Edgy teen lord, haha

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Can't thank the Tory membership more, he is exactly what I wanted and expected from Johnson. However, I did not expect the so called party of law and order, shouting at the supreme court that it is conducting a constitutional coup. Undermining the very foundations of Conservatism, it's delicious.

 

[catcherintherye]

Three things:

1/ another calamitous foreign excursion from Johnson
2/ only his own UK entourage were amused...cackling like they thought it was a great wheeze that the PM of the UK had used his UN speech to intentionally talk gibberish on a world stage
3/ the lack of contrition on his part after being just found gulity of one of THE British political crimes in history

Imagine having him and the utter scum he surrounds himself with for 5 more years.

It'll never happen.

Laugh while you can you privileged buffoon. You'll get yours served up to you very soon.

That pretty much nails it, particularly his small group of idiots who think he's amazing.

For most of the last 15 years, the Conservative Party have been intelligent and adept enough to realise the Johnson Kool Aid was a trap. He isn't very popular or indeed very competent. He takes undue and unnecessary risks. To some extent there's an existential crisis at the heart of it. They want to an Ian Botham but in essence they need to play like a Geoffrey Boycott. At their best they have considered,calculated, risk averse leaders.

It's funny as everything they accuse Corbyn of is this guy. There's been a lot of talk of cults for Labour l but Labour is the biggest party in Europe. This fella has a small group of people who think he's amazing when the rest of the world looks on.

The other point worth noting, is this is Johnson at his best,when he is flummoxed the guy is Ben Johnson on Newsnight.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

That speech to the UN..

He's taking his budget Trump impersonation seriously and coming across as a mentally ill cretin.

 

[Jebus_lives]

....just heard Michael Gove being interviewed, amazing how blasé they are about yesterday’s ruling.

If I recall rightly, Gove was one of a number of candidates for the Tory leadership who made an anti-prorogation statement. Now this prorogation has been declared unlawful, it is sheer hypocracy that Gove and others are being so smug. I wish an interviewer would mention this to them.

No standards, no values, no decency.

He also, on appointment as the Justice Secretary, reminded us all of the judgement by Denning in Gouriet v Union of Post Office Workers and Others "Be you ever so high, the law is above you”

Denning was quoting Dr Thomas Fuller speaking to Charles I after the King prorogued Parliament, ultimately leading to the Civil War and his execution.

Michael Gove sworn in as lord chancellor

Justice secretary sworn in at Royal Courts of Justice in presence of senior judges and family

www.theguardian.com

Probably apt to consider another quote by Thomas Fuller in regard to Brexit "Zeal without knowledge is fire without light".

 

[Old Blue 2]

So if a government is acting "unlawfully" how do you propose reining it in?

And remember, it will not always be a government you support which is taking these "unlawful" actions.

Do you think a government, of whatever hue, should be free to do whatever the heck it likes without fear of censure?

I never said or suggested what you have said above.

I have said all along that there should be a division between the Judiciary and the Parliamentary Executive.

I do not support the present Government, having voted Labour all my life.

It is a sad fact of life, which the court case has illustrated, that there were no hard-and-fast rules concerning prorogation. In the light of the court case, one of the first things Parliament should do is introduce a law setting down the time limit for future prorogations - that, I believe, is common sense. Or, vest in the Speaker of the House the final say in the length of any prorogation, which cannot then be challenged. Problem solved.

A Government with a working majority actually DOES do 'what the heck it likes'. The opposition might rant and rave, but in the final analysis, unless there is a major revolt on the Government benches, they will get through what they want.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[davek]

That pretty much nails it, particularly his small group of idiots who think he's amazing.

For most of the last 15 years, the Conservative Party have been intelligent and adept enough to realise the Johnson Kool Aid was a trap. He isn't very popular or indeed very competent. He takes undue and unnecessary risks. To some extent there's an existential crisis at the heart of it. They want to an Ian Botham but in essence they need to play like a Geoffrey Boycott. At their best they have considered,calculated, risk averse leaders.

It's funny as everything they accuse Corbyn of is this guy. There's been a lot of talk of cults for Labour l but Labour is the biggest party in Europe. This fella has a small group of people who think he's amazing when the rest of the world looks on.

The other point worth noting, is this is Johnson at his best,when he is flummoxed the guy is Ben Johnson on Newsnight.

He's in position, Johnson, because the cult that he takes his orders from have told the rest of the supine Tory MPs that he can beat Corbyn and secure their jobs in parliament for them. It's a death pact now. As Johnson says: do or die.

Right now the bulk of the Tory MPs must be sweating like a glass blowers arse wondering WTF they've done to allow Johnson to become leader of their party.

It'll be very interesting to see the latest opinion polls post-Supreme Court ruling. I suspect the Brexit Party might get a boost and Johnson will be even more under the cosh.