jerseytoffee
Player Valuation: £15m
Have been wanting to stay positive and back Moyes, purely because having someone in and ready to go into the next season is preferable to more change.
Yesterday was dreadful all round, and it showed the flaws of the team and/or the manager. Players that were just not good enough or was it Moyes playing the same failing eleven with the likes of O'Brien and Rohl (he did ok and got a goal, but he isn't a right midfielder is he) out of position and awful weird substitutions, players seemingly knackered or not caring.
Europe was there for us, but I think Moyes was too conservative, didn't use his full team well enough and persisted with Keane and Tarkowski, a failing centre back partnership.
If he does stay then recruitment this summer is crucial to getting everything right. A new left back, right back, right winger and striker needed. If we went for pace in those positions, that would absolutely transform this team into an exciting football team.
...but I can see Ben White, Soucek, Delap, Grealish and similar coming in and a repeat of this season.
"Experience is coming back into fashion" the quote was something along those lines, definitely not what I was thinking when I watched Bayern vs PSG the other week... the two best teams in Europe.
In the end, changing to the likes of Iraola or Glasner feels far more exciting, and isn't that what this should be?
So I've gone for Moyes out at the end of the season, it's not going to happen though is it.
Yesterday was dreadful all round, and it showed the flaws of the team and/or the manager. Players that were just not good enough or was it Moyes playing the same failing eleven with the likes of O'Brien and Rohl (he did ok and got a goal, but he isn't a right midfielder is he) out of position and awful weird substitutions, players seemingly knackered or not caring.
Europe was there for us, but I think Moyes was too conservative, didn't use his full team well enough and persisted with Keane and Tarkowski, a failing centre back partnership.
If he does stay then recruitment this summer is crucial to getting everything right. A new left back, right back, right winger and striker needed. If we went for pace in those positions, that would absolutely transform this team into an exciting football team.
...but I can see Ben White, Soucek, Delap, Grealish and similar coming in and a repeat of this season.
"Experience is coming back into fashion" the quote was something along those lines, definitely not what I was thinking when I watched Bayern vs PSG the other week... the two best teams in Europe.
In the end, changing to the likes of Iraola or Glasner feels far more exciting, and isn't that what this should be?
So I've gone for Moyes out at the end of the season, it's not going to happen though is it.
Furey1878
Player Valuation: £70m
I hope that doesn't happen, but I'll tell you something along the same lines that I'd like to see, let's say after 10 games, we look comfortably midtable again, still looking up rather than down, but then a top coach became available, I'd love to see the owners be ruthless and make their move. If something like that happened, we'd know that they're serious about the club competing.
Dykovski200
Player Valuation: £10m
Yes that’s this season mate, our last 7 games is relegation form which could easily run into next season. He’s done a great job in keeping us up last season and this one but I fear for us if he stays. Our football is crap unless he can get rid of a few and bring in some footballers the [Poor language removed] will continue.
He has taken us up a notch from last season and made us more resilient away from home but our new stadium performances have been abysmal and tbh I don't really have any confidence in us kicking on with him in charge.
Playing the same back 4 that has been shipping goals is just plain daft.
It's not like we couldn't have tried different players there .
The subs we have been making seem to have a negative effect as well.
McNeil and Coleman?
He isn't going anywhere next season so we will just have to get on with it .
It's not like we couldn't have tried different players there .
The subs we have been making seem to have a negative effect as well.
McNeil and Coleman?
He isn't going anywhere next season so we will just have to get on with it .
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Here's the reality now: this season has floored so many people that if Moyes is retained then only being top half all next season will stop demands for Moyes to be sacked.
That type of form wont happen and the whole season will be destabilised very early on.
We need bold governance here.
IMO Moyes has lost the dressing room in the sense that players dont believe he can come up with the goods on tactics and rotation of squad. It's pointless carrying on with him.
As the season has progressed I've increasingly been reminded of why I was quite happy for him to leave first time around.
I was hopeful, probably in naivety, that he'd learnt a bit as a coach, would have evolved. Indeed, his initial tweaks to the Dyche team indicated so. The signings of bright young things maybe indicated a different approach.
But as we've gone on he's increasingly reverted to type. No flexibility in formation, the subs, flogging the same players, etc.
It wouldn't be the end of the world if he stays. We'd more than likely be well clear of relegation and may even get near Europe again. But it will be de ja vu. The same thing we sat through and were getting tired of over a decade ago.
Moyes is Moyes. As @Moomin said, he's a him sandwich - does the job but isn't amazing. Clearly there's an appetite for something more exotic and less stodgy. Something more wholesome. Like a nice greek salad fusion, with a bit of quinoa and Bulgar wheat.
I was hopeful, probably in naivety, that he'd learnt a bit as a coach, would have evolved. Indeed, his initial tweaks to the Dyche team indicated so. The signings of bright young things maybe indicated a different approach.
But as we've gone on he's increasingly reverted to type. No flexibility in formation, the subs, flogging the same players, etc.
It wouldn't be the end of the world if he stays. We'd more than likely be well clear of relegation and may even get near Europe again. But it will be de ja vu. The same thing we sat through and were getting tired of over a decade ago.
Moyes is Moyes. As @Moomin said, he's a him sandwich - does the job but isn't amazing. Clearly there's an appetite for something more exotic and less stodgy. Something more wholesome. Like a nice greek salad fusion, with a bit of quinoa and Bulgar wheat.
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ValBlue
Player Valuation: £35m
Has he? Lose to spurs and we will have gained one point more than last season. We may end up finishing lower in the table.
I've been against replacing him all season, but the last few weeks - and yesterday especially - have tipped me over the edge now.
We've been better away from home, but absolutely pathetic at home.
If we shake hands with them this summer, we'll have a pick of a few good managers. If he hangs on throught he season and into next, we'll not have the options that we have this season.
He got booed post-match during Seamus' little lap too. Best for all involved that he just says thanks, I'm moving on, and then he takes some time away from us again.
We've been better away from home, but absolutely pathetic at home.
If we shake hands with them this summer, we'll have a pick of a few good managers. If he hangs on throught he season and into next, we'll not have the options that we have this season.
He got booed post-match during Seamus' little lap too. Best for all involved that he just says thanks, I'm moving on, and then he takes some time away from us again.
ValBlue
Player Valuation: £35m
No way in hell. We’re just a premier league cash cow to the owners. We are there purely to finish mid table with no worries, then funnel the money to the actual ambitious project, Roma.
We’re just some random club in England nobody cares about. We were always going to be second fiddle to Roma.
Daytripper
Player Valuation: £50m
Sad to admit but you’re right. The worst thing is how it’s been allowed to become like that over a long period of time, many people compliant in this.
I mean, there is always talk of us having to increase revenues, how do they expect to do that, grow any kind of brand or even merchandise when the club itself is a afterthought or has been in the mind of millions.
It’s alright saying we have a big fan base, how would that ever increase by being irrelevant. Most kids would want to go where the excitement is. You only have to look at the kits, far more in red these days amongst the youngsters and Thats in our own city.
I've always been pro-Moyes but with this poor end of season form (could be 8 games without a win if we don't beat Spurs) I think now is the time to thank him for his services for stabilizing the team and smoothing the transition into the new stadium. But now we need to be looking up the table and transitioning the club to a more modern playing style with the view of perennial European Qualification becoming the norm for us. Fingers Crossed.
One point = one notch
more for the fact we bagged points early and were never looking at the relegation spots early doors.A win at Spurs won't be enough to paper over the cracks though.
