Current Affairs The New Middle

[zzr45]

Usually mirrored by the pompous arrogance of the 'right' gsrnished with condescension and patronising overtones.

Eh, happens from both.

 

[magicjuan]

Without climbing inside my head how can you possibly know if that statement is true? Comes across very condescending mate. I'm not telling what you are saying is wrong or where you get that information from. As you have written previously It's a complex myriad of reasons why someone takes the stance they do. I don't think everything that comes from Labour at the moment is pushing to the extremes, but there are a few ideas in there that are certainly further to the left since the days of Michael Foot.

Some of those ideas I agree with, but I also think they will be unpalatable to a lot of people who decade after decade vote in Tory governments.

Look at or into the media, somewhere around 98% will promote labour as having a marxist bent, even some remnants of new labour, or Blairites, within the party itself will say that, anyone saying different is usually drowned out. Its the agenda. Even the appearance of 'people power' scares the system enough for them to fight him. That isn't condescending at all, you are mistaken, read the exact way I've phrased that point. It isn't climbing into heads, it is stating something outside everyone's head unfortunately.

 

[dholliday]

Eh, happens from both.

Exactly. There are three sides: the Left, the Right, and those that don't choose a side (a.k.a the middle).

Only one of these 'groups' can see that both Left & Right are at it.

It's like the image of the classic fence-sitter: when you sit atop a fence, you see both sides. When you're off the fence, you have to choose which side you get off, but then you can't see what the other side looks like.

There's a trend for more people, the majority even, wanting to sit on the fence and pick-n-choose their opinions based on what they see themselves. Some opinions might mirror those on the right side of the fence, and others those on the left.

The evidence shows us that this will be the mainstream very soon. Check out comment pages from ostensibly-liberal online papers on hot topics like identity politics & immigration: the highest-rated comments are always (literally always) from those who would would identify with the middle side. And naturally I mean identify not in the identity politics sense, for to identify with the New Middle essentially means not to choose a side.

 

[dholliday]

Look at or into the media, somewhere around 98% will promote labour as having a marxist bent, even some remnants of new labour, or Blairites, within the party itself will say that, anyone saying different is usually drowned out. Its the agenda.

Granted, Corbyn was criticised from almost all angles during his run, tho' he's more accepted now. 98% is a much exaggerated figure these days.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Look at or into the media, somewhere around 98% will promote labour as having a marxist bent, even some remnants of new labour, or Blairites, within the party itself will say that, anyone saying different is usually drowned out. Its the agenda. Even the appearance of 'people power' scares the system enough for them to fight him. That isn't condescending at all, you are mistaken, read the exact way I've phrased that point. It isn't climbing into heads, it is stating something outside everyone's head unfortunately.

Fair enough, I will take it in the spirit it was intended. If you would have said 'everyone is being...' instead of 'you're' though would have been more obvious.

You are right the press has been turning some heads against the current Labour setup but you can't use the same brush against everyone. Some people are independent of mind and make there own assessments of what is being offered. A lot of middle England wouldn't go for a more traditional Labour party, positive press or not. I would never say I know the exact numbers but I would imagine the split would be around a third would vote for their party come what may regardless of outside influences, another third would vote for whoever they are being told to vote for and the last third would weigh up the positives and negatives of the current government to the direction and promises of the opposition.

It would certainly help if they could get the press onside though and to be fair it is a bit more now than compared to before the election. If May and co keep dropping the ball then maybe it will be 50/50 come the next election.

 

[magicjuan]

Eh, happens from both.

Hence it was 'mirrored'.

 

[magicjuan]

Fair enough, I will take it in the spirit it was intended. If you would have said 'everyone is being...' instead of 'you're' though would have been more obvious.

You are right the press has been turning some heads against the current Labour setup but you can't use the same brush against everyone. Some people are independent of mind and make there own assessments of what is being offered. A lot of middle England wouldn't go for a more traditional Labour party, positive press or not. I would never say I know the exact numbers but I would imagine the split would be around a third would vote for their party come what may regardless of outside influences, another third would vote for whoever they are being told to vote for and the last third would weigh up the positives and negatives of the current government to the direction and promises of the opposition.

It would certainly help if they could get the press onside though and to be fair it is a bit more now than compared to before the election. If May and co keep dropping the ball then maybe it will be 50/50 come the next election.

But as I see it that isn't the case. The press is as anti Corbyn / Labour as ever, the printing of defamatory comments as recently as last week is proof of that, any investigative journalist would have found the claims invalid within an hour so that shows an agenda on their part.

Some people are independent. Most are easily swayed by a few scaremongering headlines, I'm still looking out the window periodically for the Romanian gypsy camp that was heralded.

Middle England only exists in its own mind. It will realise this when it is too late. It has happened in the US, it will happen here.

If I had said 'everyone' I wouldn't be addressing the point you made yourself. But thanks for the lesson and advice, I'll bear it in mind.

 

[magicjuan]

Granted, Corbyn was criticised from almost all angles during his run, tho' he's more accepted now. 98% is a much exaggerated figure these days.

It is less than a week since he was a Czechoslovakian spy. Yes, very much more accepted.

 

[dholliday]

It is less than a week since he was a Czechoslovakian spy. Yes, very much more accepted.

In comparison Theresa May gets just as much, if not more, criticism. Maybot? Ridiculing her 'strong & stable' line?

 

[magicjuan]

In comparison Theresa May gets just as much, if not more, criticism. Maybot? Ridiculing her 'strong & stable' line?

Self inflicted. You cannot seriously compare the run of the mill fun poking of May, as incompetent as she is, against the traitor calls, McCarthyistic character assassination that Corbyn has received? Jeebus!

 

[dholliday]

Self inflicted. You cannot seriously compare the run of the mill fun poking of May, as incompetent as she is, against the traitor calls, McCarthyistic character assassination that Corbyn has received? Jeebus!

What traitor calls? I haven't seen those, unless you're referring to the odd meat-headed reader-comment below online news.

And is Theresa May incompetent objectively or is that your opinion? It's the latter, let's be honest. And your opinion may even be clouded by tribal thinking. Have you ever thought a Tory leader to be competent?

 

[magicjuan]

What traitor calls? I haven't seen those, unless you're referring to the odd meat-headed reader-comment below online news.

And is Theresa May incompetent objectively or is that your opinion? It's the latter, let's be honest. And your opinion may even be clouded by tribal thinking. Have you ever thought a Tory leader to be competent?

A member of parliament calling a leader of HM opposition a Czech spy isn't calling them treacherous? Have you been medicated recently? Not seen apologies or heard of charitable donations in recompense?

May's incompetence, she used the term strong and stable. Went to the polls. Struggled ever since. Not exactly Churchillian is it?

No sitting Tory leaders but enough Tory MPs have earned my respect. Mainly for conviction, beliefs I don't agree with but they have stuck by.

Tribalism eh? It lurks in dark corners, get your duster out.

 

[The binman chronicles]

In comparison Theresa May gets just as much, if not more, criticism. Maybot? Ridiculing her 'strong & stable' line?

Wasn't there stories linking Boris to a spy at the same time? All politicians are fair game if they think it will sell papers/get clicks.

 

[dholliday]

A member of parliament calling a leader of HM opposition a Czech spy isn't calling them treacherous? Have you been medicated recently?

Have I been medicated? You're better than that, Juan. If you're referring to Ben Bradley, he quickly & unreservedly apologised and renounced his utterly baseless tweet. It's a smaller story than you perhaps imagine.

May's incompetence, she used the term strong and stable. Went to the polls. Struggled ever since. Not exactly Churchillian is it?

But May's still getting it from all angles, even from her own side. I don't see that she's particularly struggling. She's gamely rolling up her sleeves and getting on with it. That is actually Churchillian.

No sitting Tory leaders but enough Tory MPs have earned my respect. Mainly for conviction, beliefs I don't agree with but they have stuck by.

Like David Cameron. He offered the Brexit vote but stuck by his Remain-belief. When the vote went against him he honorably resigned.

Tribalism eh? It lurks in dark corners, get your duster out.

I think your tribalism blew up the Corbyn Spy story more than the rest of the watching world. It fed you what you want to hear: that the media and everyone else are attacking anything that looks mildly-socialist coming from the Labour camp.

You are partly-right on that front, there is a lot of that attack still happening, but the wider public long don't buy it anymore. The influence of the media and of stupid tweets from MP's are waning all the time. I supported Corbyn in the last election, and I think he stands a chance in the next one as long as he stays in the game. He reacted well to Bradley's filth.

 

[dholliday]

Wasn't there stories linking Boris to a spy at the same time? All politicians are fair game if they think it will sell papers/get clicks.

Boris is arguably the most-ridiculed politican of all time...and he's a Tory.