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[GrandOldTeam]

Why are you comparing pyramids to a statue of a slave master?

The pyramids, built by slave masters for slave masters but we marvel and sell tickets.

The Colosseum. Built by 60,000+ Jewish slaves. How many slaves were murdered? Society sells tickets and marvels at the wonder of it all.

Where do you draw the line?

 

[Nymzee]

The pyramids, built by slave masters for slave masters but we marvel and sell tickets.

The Colosseum. Built by 60,000+ Jewish slaves. How many slaves were murdered? Society sells tickets and marvels at the wonder of it all.

Where do you draw the line?

Still reckon aliens are behind this.

 

[davek]

No I get it. Which is why I’m not calling for them to be banned.
I’m saying *my* views have changed. And my tastes will change with it. At 18, I listen to Eminem and thought the lyrics were funny. At 38 my view is different. I’m not the same person.
I’m dead set against censorship. It’s all art and there is a context always (I used friends as an example earlier). At the same time bernard manning was a sign of his time. Let’s face it he was an unfunny **** but it was deemed acceptable. Same with Roy chubby brown. Are we saying we should allow them space now as they were just a sign of the time? You don’t have to ban them but times change.
my favourite genre is rock n roll. The generation of bands that took music generated by black artists and made it hugely popular. Which then spawned other generations of musicians and rock n roll became predominantly focused on white males despite its routes. I wonder how much of me liking rock n roll is due to the genre being represented by people like me, talking about things I can relate to in a way I can understand.
I wonder if it’s harder for women or people of colour to relate so much as they have a different experience than that.
There just isn’t much space in rock n roll for women.
And with music in general, I was trying to think of a woman producer the other day and, apart from songwriter producers (like sia or Taylor swift for instance), I couldn’t think of one.
So I’ve tried to make more of an effort to seek out and listen to female artists a little more. For a different perspective. For a different voice. For a different sound. (Agnes Obell is great btw).
I just find it interesting and I don’t think it’s wrong to question a status quo. To challenge yourself as a person. To consider your taste and wonder why they are framed the way they are. To understand the context to it all.

No. As I said: we have to sift through these songs / tv shows and determine what's repulsive and what's now just questionable or embarrassing. Shows like the Comedians years ago were always close to the knuckle even for then. The racist *jokes* were vicious and meant to hurt and divide.

As for the gender imbalance in music: yes, defo women are not represented in the control of the industry. Music-making wise though I've never thought women struggle to make themselves heard (though, of course, the subject matter they sang about could be poor image-enforcing...certainly prior to the 1970s).

Overall, we need to exercise OUR judgement on these issues; not have our choice of listening / viewing determined for us.

 

[coollino]

The pyramids, built by slave masters for slave masters but we marvel and sell tickets.

The Colosseum. Built by 60,000+ Jewish slaves. How many slaves were murdered? Society sells tickets and marvels at the wonder of it all.

Where do you draw the line?

So completely different to someone building and erecting a statue a 100 or so years after the person dying, as a celebration, later then?

Or have the statues been built by slaves too?

 

[kenada_blue]

The erasing history argument blows my mind. Have people forgot the internet exists? There is information everywhere.

It's a figure of speech - hyperbolic terms for Twitter baiters to use.

To me its not erasing history but what it is doing is removing indications of it, hiding it from sight.

 

[coollino]

It's a figure of speech - hyperbolic terms for Twitter baiters to use.

To me its not erasing history but what it is doing is removing indications of it, hiding it from sight.

And you are correct, but a lot of people are saying it is erasing history and they are incorrect.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

So completely different to someone building and erected a statue a 100 or so years after the person dying, as a celebration, later then?

What is different? Plenty of pyamids were built/housed former slave masters who died many years before it was finished.

Why is one visual representation of slavery acceptable, but another isn't? Convenience?

The Colosseum. Built by 60,000+ Jewish slaves, killed 400,000+ more. That's fine, sell tickets.

 

[atypicalusername]

What is different? Plenty of pyamids were built/housed former slave masters who died many years before it was finished.

Why is one visual representation of slavery acceptable, but another isn't? Convenience?

The Colosseum. Built by 60,000+ Jewish slaves, killed 400,000+ more. That's fine, sell tickets.

That's a good point. I hadn't thought about that.

 

[mill]

The pyramids, built by slave masters for slave masters but we marvel and sell tickets.

The Colosseum. Built by 60,000+ Jewish slaves. How many slaves were murdered? Society sells tickets and marvels at the wonder of it all.

Where do you draw the line?

Do the pyramids offend Jewish people?
Are Jewish people still experiencing the effects of being enslaved and used for free labour?
that’s a question for Jewish people but to my knowledge I’m not aware of any movement to remove them.
This sounds argumentative. It’s not meant to be. It’s more making the context point.

 

[coollino]

What is different? Plenty of pyamids were built/housed former slave masters who died many years before it was finished.

Why is one visual representation of slavery acceptable, but another isn't? Convenience?

The Colosseum. Built by 60,000+ Jewish slaves, killed 400,000+ more. That's fine, sell tickets.

Of course it's different. You just explained the difference for me.

I'm struggling to understand why the people who have a problem with the statue coming down prefer to talk about anything else other than the actual statue.

 

[Zezti]

What is different? Plenty of pyamids were built/housed former slave masters who died many years before it was finished.

Why is one visual representation of slavery acceptable, but another isn't? Convenience?

The Colosseum. Built by 60,000+ Jewish slaves, killed 400,000+ more. That's fine, sell tickets.

I agree with you but I believe the difference is the black community still feel the effects of that slavery today.


But would bringing a statue down fix that? I doubt it.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Do the pyramids offend Jewish people?
Are Jewish people still experiencing the effects of being enslaved and used for free labour?
that’s a question for Jewish people but to my knowledge I’m not aware of any movement to remove them.

You're asking if antisemitism still exists?

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

There was more white European slaves than there were black slaves, the ottoman empire had millions of white slaves, a fact that's almost forgotten to history, which is what could very well happen to the history of black slavery if the tear it down mob have their way.

Bloody Ottomans tearing down all their statues of slavers. That'll be why Turkey is a hotbed of slavery now.

 

[longers]

The pyramids, built by slave masters for slave masters but we marvel and sell tickets.

Pretty sure its been long established that the pyramids were built by peasants/workers and not slaves

 

[atypicalusername]

I agree with you but I believe the difference is the black community still feel the effects of that slavery today.


But would bringing a statue down fix that? I doubt it.

You mean because the slave trade is still active in Libya?