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[Tubey]

Slaves were the very profitable 'commodity' of the Royal African Company that made it's members rich. Without that slave 'commodity' the cotton wasn't picked from the fields that made Liverpool and Manchester rich and the tobacco wasn't picked that allowed the likes of slave traders like Colston to make money.

That's what I'm saying - slaves in their era were nothing more than commodities.

 

[ramacca]

Again, that's despotic iconography around a cult of personality toppled by people in the context of their own eras.

The fact you make such a comparison displays you have no ability to apply context.

Your 'context' is one statue is ok to be toppled but others aren't. It's the slave traders statues that you object to being got rid of and an act of 'cultural vandalism' akin to the book burning Nazis. Wow.

 

[Tipp blue]

Go on then, why was it erected, given that they knew fine well the part he played?

Don't pretend you don't know why the statue was erected.. why was queen Victoria statues erected given they knew full well of her actions in Ireland? Why was the Churchill statue erected given they knew full well of his actions in India? Answer those quest and you can answer your own question.

 

[Tubey]

Your 'context' is one statue is ok to be toppled but others aren't. It's the slave traders statues that you object to being got rid of and an act of 'cultural vandalism' akin to the book burning Nazis. Wow.

Yes, OK mate, all statues are equal, Gandhi is the same as Hitler. Destroy the pyramids.

Whatever.

 

[ramacca]

That's what I'm saying - slaves in their era were nothing more than commodities.

The statues of slave traders should be taken down and put in a museum.

 

[ramacca]

Yes, OK mate, all statues are equal, Gandhi is the same as Hitler. Destroy the pyramids.

Whatever.

It was you that equated pulling down statues to book burning Nazis.

 

[Tubey]

It was you that equated pulling down statues to book burning Nazis.

And you've just said all statues are equal. Yet I'm apparently the mad one.

 

[Tubey]

The statues of slave traders should be taken down and put in a museum.

We should do this with all statues then right?

... seriously what the actual hell would this achieve, honestly. Proper baffling.

 

[ramacca]

And you've just said all statues are equal. Yet I'm apparently the mad one.

I never said that. I pointed out the hypocrisy of pulling down some statues over others.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Honkies With Attitude

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Don't pretend you don't know why the statue was erected.. why was queen Victoria statues erected given they knew full well of her actions in Ireland? Why was the Churchill statue erected given they knew full well of his actions in India? Answer those quest and you can answer your own question.

It was you who professed to know the answer, so answer it. Why was it erected 175 years after his death?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

People raging all over the shop about statues of slave traders being removed. Just wow.

 

[roydo]

It was you who professed to know the answer, so answer it. Why was it erected 175 years after his death?

Knowing Bristol Council, probably took that long to decide where to put it.

 

[Papa Shango]

No! It's that the underlying reasoning behind pulling down a statue only has that aim!

We're not saying it'll actually do it. We're saying that it's pure stupidity and ideologically driven. If someone went and smashed a random bust of Churchill somewhere with a hammer it's not like Churchill would fade from every history book magically. That's not the point being made.

What does pulling down a statue achieve? It makes peoples feelings a little less hurt because they've applied 17th centure logic on their own lives now? Woohoo! Great job everyone!

No, the point is that it achieves nothing except strain race relations, because instead of using such objects to educate and reform, you're attempting to take a sledgehammer to history instead. All the everyday man and woman will see is anarchy prevailing, riots, looting and unreasonable extreme ideology and they'll roll their eyes at it.

Race relations are already strained!

If you are not saying it will actually do it then why are you likening it to book burning? It's all a load of nothing really.

I mean you could really say that the opposite side of these everyday people you mention have been rolling their eyes for many years about keeping the status quo and nothing ever changing?

It will settle down in a couple of days anyway and all that will have changed is a statue has been lashed in a river, another one got some writing on it (since been cleaned off) and a couple of things got their names changed which causes zero harm anyway.

Oh and you will have to download a torrent of Gone With the Wind to watch it for a few weeks.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

People raging all over the shop about statues of slave traders being removed. Just wow.

Wait until 2027 and the fume over statues containing a rapist hit.