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TN Toffee
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Yikes. It’s unthinkable that something like that would ever be put into print here in the US, but now that you mention it, Trump essentially made that EXACT appeal to middle class white women claiming he’d “saved the suburbs” by rolling back Obama era initiatives that would have possibly lead to more minorities living near them.
tsubaki
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Not that many were "violent thugs" though, were they? In fact in terms of the London protests over the summer, one demo (the one to "protect statues") stands out now because of its violence almost from the start - they were throwing bottles at cops by about 11 am, and pissing next to the memorial for a copper murdered by a terrorist a couple of hours after that.
Almost all the BLM protests (in London at least) passed by without any violence whatsover on the other hand, with the main exception being so violent that the papers were full of reports of someone trying (and failing) to set light to a flag and someone else writing on Churchill's plinth.
In fact this description of BLM being a violent thug movement is pretty much racism 101.
Get in, you took the bait haha
Diogenes the Cynic
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Every demonstration and protest that took place in the middle of a pandemic showed disregard for human life and was inherently violent.
Whatever their cause they are all social terrorists.
Aye, that's how racism was tackled in the past. Just sort of sitting back and letting it work itself out.
tsubaki
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Disagree with both of those, tbh. People shouldn't have demonstrated during lockdown except in the most extreme circumstances - BLM was one, and XR was the other (though the only successful action of theirs was the one where they blocked the Murdoch papers).
Not quite. Martin Luther King and so on.
But they are moments that spur on long term change, rather than committed constant militism demanding drastic, unrealistic societal upheaval.
The generational approach has worked. Not just with race - Alan Turing wouldn't be chemically castrated in 2020. Tolerance and acceptance of others has improved drastically. Anyone who seriously says racism is a bigger problem now than 20-30 years ago are talking out their hoop, because progress has clearly, blatantly been made.
... and it's currently being flushed down the toilet because of political hijacking.
Bit of a strawman there. Nobody thinks that. But thinking the battle is somehow won is equally silly, there's a lot left to improve
I never said the battle was won; I said there's right and wrong ways to fight it.
You win hearts and minds. You don't do that by defacing statues and calling for anarchy by defunding the police and abolishing prisons.
You might agree with those things maybe, but ultimately if the aim is anti racism, those things hurt that aim, because most people don't agree with those things.
dead_soft
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You seem really set on this hearts and mind thing so I assume you have lots of evidence for it being the only positive and anything else being harmful to the cause?
Because it does seem at the moment like you’re ignoring a lot of direct action movements.
I hate seeing that stuff too. But in my mind, looters and extremists are enemies of a movement, not representative of them. The core message is one that is just and should be listened to.
And again, the players aren't doing any of those things, they're just kneeling. I don't think of the anarchic elements of BLM protests when they do it, and don't understand people who do. I just see a solemn, peaceful gesture. It's not up to them to come up with another gesture that you and Millwall fans would be okay with
You can't be serious.
tsubaki
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This is a whole load of straw folks. For a start, MLK has been completely sanitized from the leader of a violent thug movement of the late 50s and early 60s to a saint, largely because he died and his memory could be safely turned into something benign, stripped of his demands for economic equality to someone who was only asking for Black Americans to share in the same American dream that doesn't exist for most White Americans. As an aside, the criticisms made of MLK when he was alive (and other figures like Robeson) are very reminiscent of the criticisms made of BLM today, often by the same sort of right-wing types - un-American, communist, traitors, violent thugs etc etc.
Then there is Turing - yes, something as offensive as that to someone who did as much (albeit secretly) to help this country wouldn't happen to a gay man because he was gay nowadays. However the British government has (and has ever since Turing) done things which have been arguably as vindictively needless as that was - things like Aberfan, Hillsborough, the treatment of people who were given contaminated blood transfusions, the treatment of postmasters wrongfully criminalized by their own management, and what happened to those completely innocent people who woke up one morning and found that because they hadn't kept sufficiently detailed records of their forty years living and working in the UK as UK passport holders that they could now be expelled, denied needed medical treatment (or billed tens of thousands when they did get it) and basically screwed over.
Yes, they didn't do any of that because they hated British passport holders of a certain age from the Carribean, haemophiliacs, post office workers, Welsh schoolchildren or people whose loved ones went to an FA Cup semi final and never came home - but they still did it, to completely innocent people whose lives were ended or ruined, and then refused for years (and continue to refuse in some cases) to put it right.
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