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[COYBL25]

No because it's not a myth. They have already outsourced parts of the nhs to virgincare in the South West.

Edit. Www.virgincare.co.uk

It's alresdy happening.

District nursing on parts of the Wirral have been run by Virgin Health Care for a couple of years too.

It's happening x

 

[chicoazul]

Again though, that's a gross over-simplification. I speak to a lot of people from the healthcare world, both public and private, and without fail, they all want to make a difference to patients lives.

Do you know what a CCG is?

Bruce you're a hideous free market hank though. Health should not be the responsibility of private companies. The USA experienent shows that. It's a big responsibly of the state to keep its people healthy.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bruce you're a hideous free market hank though. Health should not be the responsibility of private companies. The USA experienent shows that. It's a big responsibly of the state to keep its people healthy.

This is my pension, you keep out of it you

 

[orly]

Bruce you're a hideous free market hank though. Health should not be the responsibility of private companies. The USA experienent shows that. It's a big responsibly of the state to keep its people healthy.

As you will have seen and been disappointed by ChicoFrand, on this I agree with him

 

[ashwuk76]

Bruce you're a hideous free market hank though. Health should not be the responsibility of private companies. The USA experienent shows that. It's a big responsibly of the state to keep its people healthy.

Also look at what happened only yesterday in America with trumps health care Bill. The fact that domestic violence and sexual assault can be treated by insurance companies as a pre existing condition. Totally sick and disgusting and if we are not careful that's our future.

 

[chicoazul]

As you will have seen and been disappointed by ChicoFrand, on this I agree with him

Orly you are a man of virtue and compassion for others. I am happy to have a difference of opinion to you as I know there'll be valid reasoning behind your thinking and also you don't sneer at people from Merseyside.

May I also place on the record that I am so pleased you are posting in here.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Also look at what happened only yesterday in America with trumps health care Bill. The fact that domestic violence and sexual assault can be treated by insurance companies as a pre existing condition. Totally sick and disgusting and if we are not careful that's our future.

That really is no better than the hoopla shouted by the Republicans about 'death squads' if Obamacare was brought in. The NHS, and pretty much every health system around the world, face big enough challenges as it is without this kind of rhetoric floating about.

 

[ashwuk76]

That really is no better than the hoopla shouted by the Republicans about 'death squads' if Obamacare was brought in. The NHS, and pretty much every health system around the world, face big enough challenges as it is without this kind of rhetoric floating about.

I agree the nhs needs helping but with proper funding not private companies who only want profit.

I wish it was rhetoric but sadly it's true.

 

[chicoazul]

That really is no better than the hoopla shouted by the Republicans about 'death squads' if Obamacare was brought in. The NHS, and pretty much every health system around the world, face big enough challenges as it is without this kind of rhetoric floating about.

But away from the rhetoric do you like what you see with the healthcare system over there mate?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I agree the nhs needs helping but with proper funding not private companies who only want profit.

I wish it was rhetoric but sadly it's true.

Again, that isn't true at all, at least not in my experience. Non-NHS bodies, be they companies, charities, other government institutions, universities and so on can offer a tremendous amount to the NHS, be it in terms of expertise, data, equipment or money. The time has long gone where the NHS can do everything. It has to open up.

I think it can still abide by the principal of free at the point of care, but it can't do so whilst also claiming to do everything itself.

But away from the rhetoric do you like what you see with the healthcare system over there mate?

The American health system is an utter mess, but that isn't the only health system out there. The Dutch and German systems are both incredibly well regarded, and neither offer an NHS/US approach.

 

[chicoazul]

Again, that isn't true at all, at least not in my experience. Non-NHS bodies, be they companies, charities, other government institutions, universities and so on can offer a tremendous amount to the NHS, be it in terms of expertise, data, equipment or money. The time has long gone where the NHS can do everything. It has to open up.

I think it can still abide by the principal of free at the point of care, but it can't do so whilst also claiming to do everything itself.



The American health system is an utter mess, but that isn't the only health system out there. The Dutch and German systems are both incredibly well regarded, and neither offer an NHS/US approach.

Nice one. I shall try and read up a bit more on those systems.

 

[ashwuk76]

Again, that isn't true at all, at least not in my experience. Non-NHS bodies, be they companies, charities, other government institutions, universities and so on can offer a tremendous amount to the NHS, be it in terms of expertise, data, equipment or money. The time has long gone where the NHS can do everything. It has to open up.

I think it can still abide by the principal of free at the point of care, but it can't do so whilst also claiming to do everything itself.



The American health system is an utter mess, but that isn't the only health system out there. The Dutch and German systems are both incredibly well regarded, and neither offer an NHS/US approach.

Don't get me wrong I have no problem with non government bodies such as universities getting involved or charities doing sterling work. I do have a problem with profit making private companies such as virgincare having anything to do with our nhs. Oh I'm sure they will play nice to begin with to get thier feet under the table but once they do you see what happens.

With respect mate what has happened so far isn't proper privatisation because they have been too scared to because of public opinion. But they will do it when they can get away with it trust me.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Don't get me wrong I have no problem with non government bodies such as universities getting involved or charities doing sterling work. I do have a problem with profit making private companies such as virgincare having anything to do with our nhs. Oh I'm sure they will play nice to begin with to get thier feet under the table but once they do you see what happens.

With respect mate what has happened so far isn't proper privatisation because they have been too scared to because of public opinion. But they will do it when they can get away with it trust me.

It's not privatisation at all. I asked you earlier if you're familiar with the CCGs (https://www.nhscc.org/ccgs/ if not). They're the ones that buy care. They don't magic extra money out of thin air when they commission from a private supplier. Their budget is their budget.

 

[ashwuk76]

It's not privatisation at all. I asked you earlier if you're familiar with the CCGs (https://www.nhscc.org/ccgs/ if not). They're the ones that buy care. They don't magic extra money out of thin air when they commission from a private supplier. Their budget is their budget.

Ah right mate. Sorry had so many posts responded too I missed yours!

Thanks for that I didn't know what they were I will have a read.

 

[orly]

Orly you are a man of virtue and compassion for others. I am happy to have a difference of opinion to you as I know there'll be valid reasoning behind your thinking and also you don't sneer at people from Merseyside.

May I also place on the record that I am so pleased you are posting in here.

I'm in trouble here aren't I.