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[Eggs]

Was the bricks thing true though. I thought I read that it was fake news and it was a neighbouring building that had been bricked?

EDIT - maybe it was true and the rumours it wasn't were fake news: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/leaked-labour-probe-crushes-untrue-9076843

...there have been enough stories coming out the likes of Wallasey and Garston to suggest very unpleasant activity. It's a shame.

 

[JonS]

...there have been enough stories coming out the likes of Wallasey and Garston to suggest very unpleasant activity. It's a shame.

Think the problem is being a leftie is supposed to be about compassion peace and love but instead people can be drawn to it through their own pent up anger that they haven't dealt with...

 

[PhilM]

... the bullying and harassment going on at constituency level is enough to put any decent voter off. When bricks are thrown through the windows of constituency MPs and others harassed, plus anti-semitism remarks it's hardly representative of a party who has always stood up for the right values and one that I have always supported.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of Corbyn's remarks about a certain incident on the 8th May 1987 are thrown into the limelight very shortly.

 

[Eggs]

Think the problem is being a leftie is supposed to be about compassion peace and love but instead people can be drawn to it through their own pent up anger that they haven't dealt with...

...the ideals are well meaning but extremism of any ilk attract the wrong people. Opening up the leadership process to members was a major faux pas as control has passed to those who don't represent the rank and file Labour supporter. To be elected the Labour Party has to attract a significant amount of Tory voters.

The state of the Labour Party is the reason we are having this election.

 

[PhilM]

The state of the Labour Party is the reason we are having this election.

Exactly. If the Tory's did not feel that the Labour party was in such a dire state then they'd not risk an election especially with a significant U-turn.

That U-Turn however, which usually would be instantly jumped on, has been discretely pushed away and forgotten because of the possible rout.

Even Labour have had to reluctantly proclaim they are happy, as to say otherwise would once again shine light on their blatant deficiencies.

Really the whole situation is farcical... we're going to go against what we've said, people are happy with it and Labour are going to get a spanking.

 

[davek]

May and those around her wants a soft Brexit and the real victory here will be over Tory hardline Brexiteers, who they kow-tow to now on negotiations with the EU but who they can forget about by strengthening her majority.

This will leave open the door to Tory bloodletting for years to come if the break with the EU isn't decisive - which it wont be if the above scenario rolls out to a conclusion.

 

[Milkman]

... the bullying and harassment going on at constituency level is enough to put any decent voter off. When bricks are thrown through the windows of constituency MPs and others harassed, plus anti-semitism remarks it's hardly representative of a party who has always stood up for the right values and one that I have always supported.

I fear the party has been infiltrated in much the same way as Militant did. It needs to sort out its own problems.

Hmmm, not sure about any of that mate. My CLP was suspended for a while during the last leadership call, but the bullying wasn't coming from the Corbyn side of things. And you can't really level the brick throwing at him either, you get individuals who take things too far everywhere, it's hardly representative is it?

If you support the policies, then vote for them. The only way we'll get the Tories out.

 

[Eggs]

Hmmm, not sure about any of that mate. My CLP was suspended for a while during the last leadership call, but the bullying wasn't coming from the Corbyn side of things. And you can't really level the brick throwing at him either, you get individuals who take things too far everywhere, it's hardly representative is it?

If you support the policies, then vote for them. The only way we'll get the Tories out.

..the only way of getting this lot out is by attracting a swathe of conservative voters. Unfortunately, that will only happen with a root and branch change in the Labour Party. Traditional Labour voters like me might largely stay loyal but I fear that will still leave them a long way short.

 

[1966efc]

The Guardian ICM poll today:


This morning ICM/Guardian published an orthodox poll showing an 18-point Conservative lead. This reflected our position over the last two weeks, but was somewhat behind the brace of 21-point lead polls we saw over the weekend, one from YouGov and one from ComRes.

Maybe those two polls were the straws that broke Theresa May’s back, and responded with a U-turn on calling an early General Election. ICM immediately set in motion our election planning agenda, generating a Flash poll sample of 1,000 people, completed within four hours of the announcement.

Voting intentions compared to this morning’s poll are as follows:

Con 46% (+2)

Lab 25% (-1)

LibDem 11% (+1)

UKIP 8% (-3)

 

[peteblue]

May and those around her wants a soft Brexit and the real victory here will be over Tory hardline Brexiteers, who they kow-tow to now on negotiations with the EU but who they can forget about by strengthening her majority.

This will leave open the door to Tory bloodletting for years to come if the break with the EU isn't decisive - which it wont be if the above scenario rolls out to a conclusion.

Politically your first sentence was spot on. Your second however is straight out of your Everton forum posts.....

 

[peteblue]

..the only way of getting this lot out is by attracting a swathe of conservative voters. Unfortunately, that will only happen with a root and branch change in the Labour Party. Traditional Labour voters like me might largely stay loyal but I fear that will still leave them a long way short.

Loyal to what exactly. This isn't football. The current Labour Party leadership is a shambles, it neither deserves nor needs loyalty. It needs people to say that this is a shambles, vote for another party and then work to fix it......or get rid....

 

[davek]

Politically your first sentence was spot on. Your second however is straight out of your Everton forum posts.....

I cant see anything wrong in that conclusion.

You really think those backwoodsmen Tories go back in the bottle again?

Europe and relations with it will still be a massive issue well beyond hard/soft Brexit and the Tories will always be riven by it because they themselves are a competing group that bats for finance capital and manufacturing capital.

 

[peteblue]

I cant see anything wrong in that conclusion.

You really think those backwoodsmen Tories go back in the bottle again?

Europe and relations with it will still be a massive issue well beyond hard/soft Brexit and the Tories will always be riven by it because they themselves are a competing group that bats for finance capital and manufacturing capital.

The days of Ken Clark have passed. They won't stab themselves in the back......Labour however......

 

[davek]

The days of Ken Clark have passed. They won't stab themselves in the back......Labour however......

Every Tory leader there's been have been stabbed in the back.

 

[peteblue]

Every Tory leader there's been have been stabbed in the back.

I'm thinking Disraeli.....