Current Affairs The Labour Party

[gonetomorrow]

Anyone who is centre-left and not completely incompetent.

So Dan Jarvis, Hilary Benn, Yvette Cooper and so on. Would they realistically win an election now? No, absolutely not - no Labour politician could win this election, due to the state they are in. But it'd be a start towards winning one in the future, instead of the electoral oblivion facing them now.

Unfortunately, today's leader has to look good and talk smooth. The only one I can envisage would be David Miliband. If they could screw his head onto Corbs' body Labour might just have a chance.
I guess he'd prefer to remain the "lost leader" though.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Ok, so it's clear that lots of very angry Labour voters want Corbyn out (and have made that clear for aome time now) because they feel he's leading them to a disaster. So my question is, who do you replace him with? Who is the next leader of Labour that is so much more electable then Corbyn and can realistically win an election?

(Lobs this in like a hand grenade and runs for the hills - I may be back tomorrow to take a peek at the devastation i've caused)

Tony Blair.

 

[The binman chronicles]

In all seriousness it has to be David Miliband. If not it's another long spell on the sidelines.

 

[Tubey]

Unfortunately, today's leader has to look good and talk smooth. The only one I can envisage would be David Miliband. If they could screw his head onto Corbs' body Labour might just have a chance.
I guess he'd prefer to remain the "lost leader" though.

Not really. Theresa May is neither, for example.

They just have to be somewhat competent and not have completely unelectable policies and ideology. Corbyn fails on both grounds.

 

[roydo]

There seems to be an acceptance that the Labour Party in its current state is, to be gentle, unlikely to command a majority any time soon. On here anyrate, and polls, (yeah, I know), seem to back this up.

To this observer without a dog in the fight, why dont the Labour Party ask themselves why? Instead of their core support telling everyone else who isnt a paid up member, that they are wrong?

Or have I missed something?

 

[big bobs beard]

Should have gone with Andy Burnham as leader, decent bloke and only 'electable' leader they could have had. Tories going to whitewash this election, Labour under Corbyn sadly are just not an alternative, especially having lost the Scottish vote. The Tories now have carte blanche to do what they want.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Not really. Theresa May is neither, for example.

They just have to be somewhat competent and not have completely unelectable policies and ideology. Corbyn fails on both grounds.

She was a bit lucky that her rivals in the tory leadership contest self destructed before the vote. She is even luckier that there are no credible alternatives at the moment in the other parties. If there was she might struggle with her wooden delivery and inability to think on the spot, there is a reason she doesn't want to be part of the US style debates.

Absolutely dumbfounded that she is scared to go head to head, when it's against Tim nice but dim and Jezza.

Ed Miliband must be kicking himself that he got the job too early as even he would have looked like a rockstar going up against this lot.

 

[JonS]

(Lobs this in like a hand grenade and runs for the hills - I may be back tomorrow to take a peek at the devastation i've caused)

Tony Blair.

I would stay running in those hills if I was you, mate!!

 

[JonS]

Should have gone with Andy Burnham as leader, decent bloke and only 'electable' leader they could have had. Tories going to whitewash this election, Labour under Corbyn sadly are just not an alternative, especially having lost the Scottish vote. The Tories now have carte blanche to do what they want.

For me Burnham has the charisma of a wet fish. There again, so does Theresa May and she is running the country....

 

[peteblue]

Red Len won the UNITE vote again with about 6% of the membership voting for him. I think we can safely say that Labour is still screwed........

 

[gonetomorrow]

I tell you what we lack in this country. Satire. Where is Spitting Image when you need it?

I often catch Saturday Night Live from the States and they are so far ahead of us in terms of political humour it's untrue. Brilliant impressions and put-downs of major public figures and celebs.

What do we have? The News Quiz on the radio and Have I Got News For You which is basically a vehicle for wee Hislop. Pathetic.

No wonder we're being run by cretins.

 

[Clint Planet]

Should have gone with Andy Burnham as leader, decent bloke and only 'electable' leader they could have had. Tories going to whitewash this election, Labour under Corbyn sadly are just not an alternative, especially having lost the Scottish vote. The Tories now have carte blanche to do what they want.

Burham wouldn't have won the Scottish vote so I don't quite understand why you mentioned it. He wouldn't have done well in England and Wales, either, since he is nowhere near as steely and politically wily as Corbyn.

 

[Clint Planet]

I tell you what we lack in this country. Satire. Where is Spitting Image when you need it?

I often catch Saturday Night Live from the States and they are so far ahead of us in terms of political humour it's untrue. Brilliant impressions and put-downs of major public figures and celebs.

What do we have? The News Quiz on the radio and Have I Got News For You which is basically a vehicle for wee Hislop. Pathetic.

No wonder we're being run by cretins.

Wow. Couldn't disagree more. As my American ex-lodger says, there's no way something like HIGNFY could have happened in America. It is so much more incisive and edgy than SNL.

 

[Donald Twain]

Time for folks to stand up for what they should instead of what they're told ! Regardless of what you think of Corbyn and the rest if you go out and vote for this shower in charge then you deserve all you get! Whatever your political bent if you cant see this lot for what they are , heaven help you!

 

[tsubaki]

There seems to be an acceptance that the Labour Party in its current state is, to be gentle, unlikely to command a majority any time soon. On here anyrate, and polls, (yeah, I know), seem to back this up.

To this observer without a dog in the fight, why dont the Labour Party ask themselves why? Instead of their core support telling everyone else who isnt a paid up member, that they are wrong?

Or have I missed something?

You haven't missed anything, except that the your question was asked and answered in the summer of 2015.

The people who lost that leadership election were the factions at the top of the party who had lost the two previous General Elections, who lost Scotland, who built most of the groundwork for losing the other heartlands, who lost more than half of the party membership and who put the party millions of pounds into debt. People wanted change, the party needed change, the voters had just rejected them because they hadn't changed (from 2010 at least) and yet the only option on that ballot for actual change was Corbyn - which is probably why he won in such a landslide.

The people at the top of Labour could have recognized that and engaged with it. They could have at least saw that getting smashed by a nearly 70 year old bloke and a hastily assembled network of supporters might suggest that they had a problem. Instead only a very few of them did either of those, whilst most instead either sat it out, or openly attacked the leadership, all with the hope of putting themselves back in charge.

The result is of course what we have seen since the referendum result, which is open (and largely one-way) warfare, chaos and a Tory Party that thinks this is a golden opportunity to screw us all.