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[ToffeeTim]

Its the problem I have had with him from day one. He is a serial "rebel" MP, who has never had to make a serious decision in his entire working life. He has firmly held beliefs, which is fine, but he has spent his life speaking about them to a gallery that all ready agrees with him anyrate.

When all is said and done, this election is all about Brexit. The thought of him assembling a team with the ability to negotiate with the EU is frightening. The Tories are going to find it difficult if they let Boris anywhere near them as well, imo.

We will have one crack at this thing. One.

I'll be very shocked if Boris isn't sacked from the cabinet, or at least, given a demotion. May has little time for him from what I've heard. There's more and more stories coming out about Corbyn every day about his past, and generally there's no smoke without fire. Abbott is just on another planet tho. Anyone who votes for her actually needs their head examined.

 

[peteblue]

I'll be very shocked if Boris isn't sacked from the cabinet, or at least, given a demotion. May has little time for him from what I've heard. There's more and more stories coming out about Corbyn every day about his past, and generally there's no smoke without fire. Abbott is just on another planet tho. Anyone who votes for her actually needs their head examined.

He was shut up after the first time he opened his mouth. How Abbott wasn't sent on a world fact finding tour is the real mystery.....

 

[tsubaki]

Abbott defo has pics of Corbyn or something cause no right thinking party leader would persist with her as his potential home secretary.

There is literally no-one else he can turn to. The rest of the PLP is on strike.

 

[roydo]

There is literally no-one else he can turn to. The rest of the PLP is on strike.

Soooo, if he won, Brexit negotiations? Wouldnt look great would it?

 

[tsubaki]

Its the problem I have had with him from day one. He is a serial "rebel" MP, who has never had to make a serious decision in his entire working life. He has firmly held beliefs, which is fine, but he has spent his life speaking about them to a gallery that all ready agrees with him anyrate.

When all is said and done, this election is all about Brexit. The thought of him assembling a team with the ability to negotiate with the EU is frightening. The Tories are going to find it difficult if they let Boris anywhere near them as well, imo.

We will have one crack at this thing. One.

Just FWIW, Harold Macmillan was a serial "rebel" MP in his early years - he even went further than Corbyn did and resigned the whip.

What matters is not whether an MP is a rebel, its what they rebel over. The vast majority of things that Corbyn opposed were bad, in some cases actively dangerous, bits of legislation.

 

[tsubaki]

Soooo, if he won, Brexit negotiations? Wouldnt look great would it?

It depends what instructions he sent civil servants (who lets not forget will do the vast majority of the lifting here) into those negotiations with, what the government identified the country wanted and how we negotiated. I am far more confident we would have fair and meaningful negotiations and a better outcome if he was in charge; or to put it another way I can't imagine a worse outcome than the one we will get if May gets a big majority and thinks that it means anything in those talks.

 

[tsubaki]

I'll be very shocked if Boris isn't sacked from the cabinet, or at least, given a demotion. May has little time for him from what I've heard. There's more and more stories coming out about Corbyn every day about his past, and generally there's no smoke without fire. Abbott is just on another planet tho. Anyone who votes for her actually needs their head examined.

There isn't "more and more stories coming out about Corbyn". These are the same stories we have had for the past twenty months.

 

[roydo]

Just FWIW, Harold Macmillan was a serial "rebel" MP in his early years - he even went further than Corbyn did and resigned the whip.

What matters is not whether an MP is a rebel, its what they rebel over. The vast majority of things that Corbyn opposed were bad, in some cases actively dangerous, bits of legislation.

Whatever. Like I said he has firmly held beliefs. Which is laudable.

But it is dead easy to oppose stuff, rather less easy to assemble a negotiation team to take on 27 EU countries to get a once in a lifetime agreement that is any good.

His choice of Shadow Home Secretary does not fill me with an ounce of confidence he will either have the talent at his disposal, nor the ability to decide on anything other than his pet ideas.

 

[roydo]

It depends what instructions he sent civil servants (who lets not forget will do the vast majority of the lifting here) into those negotiations with, what the government identified the country wanted and how we negotiated. I am far more confident we would have fair and meaningful negotiations and a better outcome if he was in charge; or to put it another way I can't imagine a worse outcome than the one we will get if May gets a big majority and thinks that it means anything in those talks.

Fair enough. With respect, I disagree.

 

[tsubaki]

Whatever. Like I said he has firmly held beliefs. Which is laudable.

But it is dead easy to oppose stuff, rather less easy to assemble a negotiation team to take on 27 EU countries to get a once in a lifetime agreement that is any good.

His choice of Shadow Home Secretary does not fill me with an ounce of confidence he will either have the talent at his disposal, nor the ability to decide on anything other than his pet ideas.

I can understand that last point, all I would point out in reply is who his actual choice as Shadow Home Secretary was (and would still be now if he hadn't quit to be Mayor).

 

[roydo]

I can understand that last point, all I would point out in reply is who his actual choice as Shadow Home Secretary was (and would still be now if he hadn't quit to be Mayor).

Well he did quit, and Corbyn appointed her.

So, ergo, he thinks she is the best choice from every one of the PLP to be Home Secretary.

 

[tsubaki]

Well he did quit, and Corbyn appointed her.

So, ergo, he thinks she is the best choice from every one of the PLP to be Home Secretary.

"Every one of the PLP" in this case means "those willing to serve". It is a much smaller number of people we are talking about, probably less than ten.

 

[roydo]

When all is said and done, this election is all about Brexit. The thought of him assembling a team with the ability to negotiate with the EU is frightening. The Tories are going to find it difficult if they let Boris anywhere near them as well, imo.

"Every one of the PLP" in this case means "those willing to serve". It is a much smaller number of people we are talking about, probably less than ten.

Thanks.

 

[tsubaki]

Thanks.

In the unlikely event he wins, do you really think they will continue to boycott him?

 

[peteblue]

In the unlikely event he wins, do you really think they will continue to boycott him?

We'll never know......