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[roydo]

No offence mate but just saying that you are generally ok with the Tory stuff because you get a little extra in take home pay is imo very insular and not looking at the problems a lot of the country has with things like housing, bedroom tax, zero hour contracts, less police, etc etc etc

But yeah I am ok because I have a bit extra pay. Sorry with respect that's not the view of someone who looks at the wider society.

And that sort of proves my wider point.

I am ok, so I am wrong.

Great.

 

[ashwuk76]

And that sort of proves my wider point.

I am ok, so I am wrong.

Great.

All I'm saying is that it's a very insular view is all. It's what a lot of the politicians want people to think, it's why they target policies at certain groups of people.

 

[ashwuk76]

Its a strange one.

My youngest, 21, has just finished 3 years at a special needs college, (Star College, Cheltenham, google it). £300,000 all in. We have now secured a room in a supported house, with 24/7 on site support, travel to a job sorted, Christ knows what the cost, (for life), near us.

My ex father in law was taken poorly the other week. Heart bypass op over a weekend with a full home support programme in place.

Maybe I am lucky. Dunno.

I am glad to hear your ex father in law had the care he needs and that's exactly how it should be.

I think you have been a bit lucky not everyone is so lucky in all parts of the country and what your father in law has got it what anyone else in the country should expect to get to but i don't think that's the reality of a lot of people.

 

[Moomin]

If that is even a little bit true, then why would anyone ever vote for them?

That sort of rhetoric just turns off folk like me, the wide spread, "not that arsed" voter, from supporting a party that seems, to this observer anyrate, promoting a false story.

Me and Mrs R both work, and cos of the lowering of the tax bands over the last few years, neither of us will pay any tax this year. Me cos I am self employed, effectively able to control my income and can legally off set all sorts, and her cos she is part time. A few years ago we would both have copped a bill.

I am not saying that I am a dyed in the wool Tory, far from it, but the absolute bubbles that gets posted about them on here is frankly bizarre. In my experience anyrate.

Social mobility is at its worst since before WW2

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/state-of-the-nation-report-on-social-mobility-in-great-britain

 

[RomanReigns]

If that is even a little bit true, then why would anyone ever vote for them?

That sort of rhetoric just turns off folk like me, the wide spread, "not that arsed" voter, from supporting a party that seems, to this observer anyrate, promoting a false story.

Me and Mrs R both work, and cos of the lowering of the tax bands over the last few years, neither of us will pay any tax this year. Me cos I am self employed, effectively able to control my income and can legally off set all sorts, and her cos she is part time. A few years ago we would both have copped a bill.

I am not saying that I am a dyed in the wool Tory, far from it, but the absolute bubbles that gets posted about them on here is frankly bizarre. In my experience anyrate.

well if the rich are going to get richer then heck its a no brainer for them to vote for tory and enjoy their nice cushy little lives so that they can send their children to private school and build a pool in their back gardens.

I'm not a die hard politics fan, i don't follow that much politics, in the past when I've voted I've mainly just followed my parents. Only reason I'm taking a real interest in this election is because the current government and their future plans is going to make me redundant.

I'm not even a die hard labour fan, but the propaganda spouted by the media to make corbyn look like an idiot and Teresa May as the greatest person in the world is shocking.

I've taken to social media sites to see the real truth and find out what these two candidates are really like. Everytime I've seen a Corbyn interview or a Corbyn clip he comes across decent, someone you could trust, someone that is compassionate. Whenever I see May all I see is lies, lies and more lies.

 

[Goat]

I heard people were being utter tories in here?

Think on lads, yeah?

 

[Frank Gallagher]

I heard people were being utter tories in here?

Think on lads, yeah?

i want to vote corbyn.. but he really isnt helping himself after this weeks events.

 

[orchard]

i want to vote corbyn.. but he really isnt helping himself after this weeks events.

Did you listen to his speech today, like all of it, first-hand?

 

[Azzurri]

how so, Jeremy at least is prepared to listen to people's stories and try and make a useful change whereas the tory government just want to make the rich even richer and the poor even poorer and have a massive social and economic divide in the uk, they don't care about the people they only care about themselves and will get what they want without any afterthought about the potential consequences.

If that is even a little bit true, then why would anyone ever vote for them?

That sort of rhetoric just turns off folk like me, the wide spread, "not that arsed" voter, from supporting a party that seems, to this observer anyrate, promoting a false story.

Me and Mrs R both work, and cos of the lowering of the tax bands over the last few years, neither of us will pay any tax this year. Me cos I am self employed, effectively able to control my income and can legally off set all sorts, and her cos she is part time. A few years ago we would both have copped a bill.

I am not saying that I am a dyed in the wool Tory, far from it, but the absolute bubbles that gets posted about them on here is frankly bizarre. In my experience anyrate.

Because a lot of people are selfish and horrible.

 

[harris78]

i want to vote corbyn.. but he really isnt helping himself after this weeks events.

I actually agree with a lot of the stuff Corbyn has been saying. Its easy to say now is not the time but surely now is the right time to say what he feels about UK foreign policy. It clearly isn't working and it is bringing the atrocities closer to home. This weeks events are truly awful and i find it incomprehensible that anybody would target innocent people be it any age and take their lives. 22 dead is horrendous and heart breaking and rightly has had a lot of air time dedicated to it from the media.

Now when the allied forces go and bomb whatever target they have in whatever country they have decided to retaliate against and hit a children's hospital, school etc how much time is given by the western media in these instances, next to nothing as its not close to home. Its collateral damage for the greater good etc etc. Whatever country you live in you will have propaganda from the media, politicians etc. Tit for tat retaliation is getting us nowhere and meddling in other countries affairs etc is creating deeper rooted animosity. There has to be other ways of dealing with other countries other than the policy we have followed blindly for the last 30 odd years. Maybe just maybe Corbyn has a point, surely a different tactic is worth a try as at present it seems wash rinse repeat over and over again is just causing more hatred and despair in a world getting more evil by the day.

 

[bring the ghost on]

If that [the poor getting poorer under the Tories] is even a little bit true, then why would anyone ever vote for them?

Record rates of child poverty. Record rates of pensioner poverty. Record cuts to welfare. Scrapping EMA. Bedroom tax. Disability living allowance cuts.

I mean, I'm just naming a few things which spring to mind there.

It's great that you get to offset things against your income as a self-employed person and pay zero tax, but that doesn't really apply to the majority of people.

The truth is - the Tories whole philosophy is build on small government and low taxes, which can only mean that people on low incomes or in vulnerable positions suffer. It's really not a conspiracy or a stereotype, it's just the correct interpretation of their philosophy.

 

[tsubaki]

The truth is - the Tories whole philosophy is build on small government and low taxes, which can only mean that people on low incomes or in vulnerable positions suffer. It's really not a conspiracy or a stereotype, it's just the correct interpretation of their philosophy.

I agree with all your post but this last bit. They might pretend that they like small government and low taxes, but a look at their record would shatter that - they are ok with big government as long as it pays firms to do things.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Abbott defo has pics of Corbyn or something cause no right thinking party leader would persist with her as his potential home secretary.

 

[bring the ghost on]

I agree with all your post but this last bit. They might pretend that they like small government and low taxes, but a look at their record would shatter that - they are ok with big government as long as it pays firms to do things.

Yeah, agreed, it's "small government" in the sense that they don't like intervening to help people who need it, but it's far from small government when it comes to state surveillance, etc.

 

[dandydan]

I heard people were being utter tories in here?

Think on lads, yeah?

I haven't closed a coal mine for weeks mate.