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[tsubaki]

80 people a month, truly disgusting statistic. People should have gone to jail for this.

... where ten prisoners kill themselves each month.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Go on say it, you're dying to - " bring back Tony Blair " lol

Haha. I am a fan of that political view, same as Clinton and what Marcon looks to be, although it's too early to tell with him.

But just before I'm set upon, I would happily enact far left policies as nationalising the utilities and the rail networks. I don't think even Labour did enough for homeless people when they were in power.

 

[Number_25]

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/the-labour-party.94485/page-125#post-5458076

@Number_25 *TRIGGER WARNING*)
Bankrupting the nation every time they held power.
Destroying industry and innovation with natiolisation.
Blowing all the marshall plan money to buy votes then taking another loan out from the yanks.
The welfare state.
Trying to keep an Empire that was finished the day singapore surrended
Aberfan relief fund
Closing more mines than thatcher
Cosying up to the most evil ideology in human history.
And demonising the white working class they claim to represent.

Hows that for starters? I'll get onto the child molesting later.
Face it your dear party is nothing but a metropolitan elite spewing common room rhetoric.

I'll humor you, just this one - you silly little man.

• Bankrupting the nation every time they held power: I'm not entirely sure as to what you're referring to here as you've been less than specific, but I'll go ahead and assume that you're referring to the aftermath of the 2008 global financial crash. If you look at the figures, public net debt as a % of domestic product currently stands at around 89.1% - growing from 64% in 2009; the peak of the financial crisis. [Source]
  
• Destroying industry and innovation with natiolisation [sic]: Again, false. The first Thatcher government's pursuit of monetarist policies had a devastating effect on the manufacturing sector of this country [Source]. Yes, the last Labour government didn't do enough to re-establish our nation's industrial base; but the fact is that Labour are the only party committed kick-starting a new era of re-industrialisation through public investment. [Source]
• Blowing all the marshall plan money to buy votes then taking another loan out from the yanks: Clement Atlee's government radically reformed the face of Britain - establishing the NHS, providing universal free education, welfare reform, and brought millions of the nations poorest people out of abject poverty [Source].
• The welfare state: First of all, every single person of this country has benefited in some sort of capacity from the welfare state. It's important to note the sheer levels of poverty this country saw before the introduction of universal welfare, and how little social mobility this country had.
• Trying to keep an Empire that was finished the day singapore surrended: It was the Labour government that undertook this nation's de-colonisation [Source].
• Aberfan relief fund: The last Labour government repaid Aberfan in full [Source].
• Closing more mines than thatcher: Simply incorrect. Look at the figures, 212,000 coal mining jobs were lost under the Wilson government - but the percentage of jobs lost under Thatcher was an incredible 80% of ALL mine workers [Source].
  
• Cosying up to the most evil ideology in human history: How is democratic socialism in any way 'evil'?
  
• And demonising the white working class they claim to represent: What sort of evidence do you have to back up this slander?
  

 

[jaycee]

Agreed they wouldn't cough up the stats for a long time. Disappointed more wasn't made of this and as you say people going to jail. If I remember rightly wasn't all this IDS's brainchild?

IDS was the figurehead,most parlimentary ideas are down to senior civil servants they look at how where and why savings/budgets can be made,they then need the mp to convince that its the right path to take,but its not just tories responsible look at the amount of mps that abstain from voting on this type of thing,I helped in an advice/drop in centre and some of the stories I heard were beyond belief

 

[tsubaki]

IDS was the figurehead,most parlimentary ideas are down to senior civil servants they look at how where and why savings/budgets can be made,they then need the mp to convince that its the right path to take,but its not just tories responsible look at the amount of mps that abstain from voting on this type of thing,I helped in an advice/drop in centre and some of the stories I heard were beyond belief

Quite a lot of it was tested under James Purnell's watch, who of course ragequit Parliament in 2010 and got a £300,000 year job at the BBC.

 

[edge]

Around 80 people per month,it did save roughly £135m problem is it cost £250m more to impliment,plus £143m in bonuses,plus £1.4 billion in contracts to the companies carrying out the whole process,great enconomics

Life expectancy has gone down in the UK for the first time in in decades, for pensioners and people over 45 started to go backwards from 2011 after years of it getting longer, soon be back to Victorian times the working class dead after there usefulness has gone save a bomb in pensions.

 

[Gouldy]

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/the-labour-party.94485/page-125#post-5458076

I'll humor you, just this one - you silly little man.

• Bankrupting the nation every time they held power: I'm not entirely sure as to what you're referring to here as you've been less than specific, but I'll go ahead and assume that you're referring to the aftermath of the 2008 global financial crash. If you look at the figures, public net debt as a % of domestic product currently stands at around 89.1% - growing from 64% in 2009; the peak of the financial crisis. [Source]
  
• Destroying industry and innovation with natiolisation [sic]: Again, false. The first Thatcher government's pursuit of monetarist policies had a devastating effect on the manufacturing sector of this country [Source]. Yes, the last Labour government didn't do enough to re-establish our nation's industrial base; but the fact is that Labour are the only party committed kick-starting a new era of re-industrialisation through public investment. [Source]
• Blowing all the marshall plan money to buy votes then taking another loan out from the yanks: Clement Atlee's government radically reformed the face of Britain - establishing the NHS, providing universal free education, welfare reform, and brought millions of the nations poorest people out of abject poverty [Source].
• The welfare state: First of all, every single person of this country has benefited in some sort of capacity from the welfare state. It's important to note the sheer levels of poverty this country saw before the introduction of universal welfare, and how little social mobility this country had.
• Trying to keep an Empire that was finished the day singapore surrended: It was the Labour government that undertook this nation's de-colonisation [Source].
• Aberfan relief fund: The last Labour government repaid Aberfan in full [Source].
• Closing more mines than thatcher: Simply incorrect. Look at the figures, 212,000 coal mining jobs were lost under the Wilson government - but the percentage of jobs lost under Thatcher was an incredible 80% of ALL mine workers [Source].
  
• Cosying up to the most evil ideology in human history: How is democratic socialism in any way 'evil'?
  
• And demonising the white working class they claim to represent: What sort of evidence do you have to back up this slander?

Come on man... don't confuse him with facts..

 

[Number_25]

Up two points in the polls.



The difference is still bad, but I think our vote is solid.

 

[tsubaki]

Up two points in the polls.



The difference is still bad, but I think our vote is solid.

TBH it is somewhat odd that repeated polls have UKIP at between five and seven percent, given what has happened to that party.

 

[The binman chronicles]

TBH it is somewhat odd that repeated polls have UKIP at between five and seven percent, given what has happened to that party.

Not really as the people that vote for them haven't got a clue anyhow...

 

[Eggs]

..the worst thing that can happen is that Labour suffer a heavy defeat but not the landslide being forecast. Some will see it as a victory meaning the Party will remain a shop front for the Momentum movement for at least 5 more years. It's no good for anybody to have one party politics, especially under a Conservative government.

I can see a new centre left Party being formed if Labour continue under this governance.

 

[roydo]

..the worst thing that can happen is that Labour suffer a heavy defeat but not the landslide being forecast. Some will see it as a victory meaning the Party will remain a shop front for the Momentum movement for at least 5 more years. It's no good for anybody to have one party politics, especially under a Conservative government.

I can see a new centre left Party being formed if Labour continue under this governance.

And that could have been posted about 35 years ago, give or take a year or so.

Plus ca Change and all that.

 

[peteblue]

..the worst thing that can happen is that Labour suffer a heavy defeat but not the landslide being forecast. Some will see it as a victory meaning the Party will remain a shop front for the Momentum movement for at least 5 more years. It's no good for anybody to have one party politics, especially under a Conservative government.

I can see a new centre left Party being formed if Labour continue under this governance.

I think that's what his manifesto is about. He knows he's going to get battered, so promise everything to everyone and maybe it won't be so bad and he can carry on.

We need a strong opposition and Corbyn and his merry band of lightweights are not it.........

 

[orchard]

I think it's a two-horse race now, and Labour may win. I can see a chunk of middle, comfortable England not voting for May because of her abhorrent neglect of the environment and Corporate dependency biting.

 

[peteblue]

I think it's a two-horse race now, and Labour may win. I can see a chunk of middle, comfortable England not voting for May because of her abhorrent neglect of the environment and Corporate dependency biting.

Can you also see Everton getting 4th this year......