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[ToffeeTim]

I wish Labour would make themselves more electable. Not even sure they will be credible in 2022 either. Large majority governments are usually crap too.

 

[Connor]

My mate, my hero.

I swoon every time he makes a speech.

The Gaffer.

 

[Sapie88]

I swoon every time he makes a speech.

The Gaffer.

He's an absolute boss!

 

[Connor]

He's an absolute boss!

Loves our city too.

The perfect man.

 

[tsubaki]

I wish Labour would make themselves more electable. Not even sure they will be credible in 2022 either. Large majority governments are usually crap too.

This is part of the process of making themselves more electable, though. Party membership is up, they are out of debt, they are actually having meaningful debates over policy and if they can sort out candidate selection as well (so that prospective parliamentary candidates don't come from the extremely limited gene pool that they did for much of the time under Blair) then the party will be in a much more healthy state than it was before Corbyn became leader.

To put it another way, surely the fact that he became leader in the first place just shows the complete lack of any viable, credible alternatives in the PLP?

 

[ToffeeTim]

This is part of the process of making themselves more electable, though. Party membership is up, they are out of debt, they are actually having meaningful debates over policy and if they can sort out candidate selection as well (so that prospective parliamentary candidates don't come from the extremely limited gene pool that they did for much of the time under Blair) then the party will be in a much more healthy state than it was before Corbyn became leader.

To put it another way, surely the fact that he became leader in the first place just shows the complete lack of any viable, credible alternatives in the PLP?

I still think appointing Corbyn in the first place has set them back an extra 3 years. Im not sure this manifesto is doing anything other than consolidating the base. Maybe thats what was needed at tgis point perhaps. Although you are obviously right about the lack of alternatives.

 

[tsubaki]

I still think appointing Corbyn in the first place has set them back an extra 3 years. Im not sure this manifesto is doing anything other than consolidating the base. Maybe thats what was needed at tgis point perhaps. Although you are obviously right about the lack of alternatives.

Whether it put them back three years or not isn't really the point; the party was being run by people who saw nothing wrong in things like this, or this. If it had continued down that path it was doomed.

 

[Boss_Blue]

I still think appointing Corbyn in the first place has set them back an extra 3 years. Im not sure this manifesto is doing anything other than consolidating the base. Maybe thats what was needed at tgis point perhaps. Although you are obviously right about the lack of alternatives.

I was completely disillusioned with Labour the last few elections mate - they were for all intents and purposes Tory lite.

The party needs to sort itself out, of that there is no doubt but hopefully going forward we will now see some viable alternatives to the policies of our lizard overlords.

 

[peteblue]

I was completely disillusioned with Labour the last few elections mate - they were for all intents and purposes Tory lite.

The party needs to sort itself out of that there is no doubt but hopefully going forward we will now see some viable alternatives to the policies of our lizard overlords.

They are all lizards of whatever colour, and funded by other lizards......

 

[Boss_Blue]

They are all lizards of whatever colour, and funded by other lizards......

True, although some of these lizards want to devour our children, the sick and the elderly whilst the other lizards are happy enough devouring themselves.

 

[Tubey]

To be fair, Corbyn has done well campaigning. Much better than expected.

It doesn't actually matter obviously given the red lines he has that stomp any chance of most people voting for him, but to his credit he's sung a pitch perfect song to his core audience and will probably avoid the incredible landslide it could have been.

 

[peteblue]

To be fair, Corbyn has done well campaigning. Much better than expected.

It doesn't actually matter obviously given the red lines he has that stomp any chance of most people voting for him, but to his credit he's sung a pitch perfect song to his core audience and will probably avoid the incredible landslide it could have been.

His problem is not keeping his die hard supporters though, he also has to win doubters and swing voters and I'm not sure he's capable of doing so......

 

[Number_25]

It'd be interesting to see how the polls change after this policy blitz.

I've been trying to emulate how FiveThirtyEight did their (albeit unsuccessful) US polling.

With weighted polls (based on historical accuracy), historic data, and betting odds I currently have this...

CON: 43%
LAB: 36%
LIBD: 8%
UKIP: 5%

My swingometer is still really basic (a LibreOffice Calc spreadsheet with a few functions and macros), but I currently have the seat count at...

CON: +5 gains = 335 seats
LAB: -1 loss = 232 seats
LIBD: -3 losses = 5 seats
UKIP: No change = 0 seats

20 majority for the Tories.

Still plenty to play for.

 

[gonetomorrow]

Every time I hear a Labour spokesperson come on the radio to explain policy they don't sound very sure of their brief and come across a bit raw. They get picked off easily by the likes of the ghastly Nick Robinson.

I'm not hankering after the Blair years but they were slicker in presentation then.

Unfortunately, these things matter.

 

[Number_25]

Every time I hear a Labour spokesperson come on the radio to explain policy they don't sound very sure of their brief and a bit raw. They get picked off easily by the likes of the ghastly Nick Robinson.

I'm not hankering after the Blair years but they were slicker in presentation.

I'm actually a huge fan of the way Blair presented himself, very concise and clear.

But my thing with people of his irk is that they're a bit like a polo-mint.

Smooth, strong and fresh on the outside.

Empty on the inside.