1966efc
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Or down a burrow. Looks like a ginger ferret to me.
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Or down a burrow. Looks like a ginger ferret to me.
I was a little lost in your prior analysis Bruce.
I don't think that the working class have "reverted" back to being socially conservative, it's just UKIP are the only ones that are seemingly putting forward a solution to people's genuine concerns.
If you asked someone on the street their beliefs on individual freedom, you'd probably find that they're on the left.
Yet there is a clear and significant divide around immigration within the Labour party. That's the main social issue of the current time.
I agree 100%, but it's important that we don't go into some ideological bender that only furthers the divide in the country.
The Labour Party badly needs to start re-framing issues back to their real root causes. People have genuine concerns about public services and housing - and we as a party need to start resolving them.
To do so isn't as simple as saying "look, immigrants were the ones that gone did it" - it needs to be something robust and long term.
We need heavy investment and more robust legislation to stop the exploitation of low-wage EU workers. Will UKIP or the Tories do this?
No.
I quite agree. The various issues facing the country all have a number of root causes, but none of them are really about migrants, and none of them require us to upsticks and leave the EU. The thing is, that's been allowed to be the narrative that has formed, and I'm not sure Labour have the stomach for fighting that narrative.
Which is why I think that it's yours and everyone else that agrees with us moral duty to join the Party or trade union and ensure that we, the people, are best represented throughout the entirety of our democratic process.
Despite its flaws, I still believe that the Labour Party is the single greatest force for good in this country. Despite its flaws, 1997 - 2008 was the best time to be a poor working class white boy from the South Wales Valleys. I owe much of what I've achieved to that government, and I want to ensure that others like myself have even more of a chance in life than I did.
And he is one right bell , dont mind the librals as a rule but he really gets my goat him.
Also, apologies for any mistyped words. I've lost my glasses and can't see anything.
I'm not a Labour supporter I'm afraid as I'm of a more classic liberal mindset so we're poles apart economically.
tsubaki
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In terms of supporting nationalization, the welfare state (to genuine claimants), wanting full employment and secure terms and conditions, the NHS, free education, social housing etc. Even the criticisms that the Press have identified as "concern about migrants" usually boil down under examination to things like the lack of spending on local services by the state, or the promotion by the state of means (agency labour and zero hours contracts for instance) by which wages and standards of living are brought down.
neil999
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Yep...he looks weak and will be considered as such
peteblue
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No mate, the best times were in the 60's when poor kids could still go to Grammar Schools and become what they deserved to be on merit............97-08 was a great time for the London based metropolitan elite and their families.......
roydo
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How? Not a criticism, just an honest question.
I don't get the Labour are for the working man shouts anymore. They were in the past clearly. Like Atlee was probably the best PM of the last century. But the long and short of it is that I'm better off on my relatively low graduate wage now than I would have been if I'd graduated in say 2007. The tories have almost doubled the tax free personal allowance, and they've brought in the large wage increase of the living wage. As for tuition fees, I think it's fair they were introduced. Why should the less advantaged foot the bill for the potential benefits I might get later in life through my 3rd level education. They shouldn't and paying back my student loans, under the current terms where you only start repaying after you're income surpasses a reasonable level is only fair. 30 years ago these would have been policies that you would have only foreseen as being possible with a labour government. Yet it was the tories who introduced all these.
Labour need to realise what matters to the every day working person. We want work to be rewarded. We want ambition to be rewarded. We want the chances for our kids to get to good schools without fees. I'm grateful I grew up in NI where the grammar system is still very successful. I wouldn't have got to a top school in England yet the system granted me the chance here without any fees.
Labour are out of touch, they need to understand what matters.
Labour need to realise what matters to the every day working person. We want work to be rewarded. We want ambition to be rewarded. We want the chances for our kids to get to good schools without fees. I'm grateful I grew up in NI where the grammar system is still very successful. I wouldn't have got to a top school in England yet the system granted me the chance here without any fees.
Labour are out of touch, they need to understand what matters.
jal123
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