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[Mrk]

Why do you think people from towns should or even want to move to cities. Cities are mostly crap with lower standards of living. Towns like Nelson leave a population that has not integrated and a population that feels something has inexorably changed.....

I’d say the overriding reason is opportunity. Cities by their very nature present many more opportunities to people, be that career opportunities, social opportunities, educational opportunities. The draw of cities like London, Manchester and more recently Liverpool is huge to people - 40/50 years ago that certainly wasn’t the case, but it is now.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Pubs closing cos people can’t afford beer so go to supermarkets? IMMIGRANTS

The struggle, our struggle my struggle perhaps... The internet "weapon of the immigrant".

 

[JimmyJeffers]

The struggle, our struggle my struggle perhaps... The internet "weapon of the immigrant".

The detritus left by capitalism and people blame immigrants. Story as old as time.

 

[Charro]

They are poor people, and sadly poor people can't afford to spend in town centres. Sadly and i'll no doubt be called a racist etc the Pakistani's that have moved into East Lancs are poor and very religion based.

People in towns like mine have seen thriving town centres gone because it has coincided with mass immigration. Muslims won't drink in pubs, don't eat in restaurants. They haven't got much money and have very large families, which in turn makes them poorer.

So you have a town centre with no investment, you have over crowded houses that have been left to look like dumps really. If you have any money you won't live in a town like that.

People move out... pubs can't trade... restaurants shut down... house prices plummet... it's a cycle. And a cycle thats started in areas like mine since immigration.

Yet there’s plenty of Northen towns with low immigration, high poverty levels suffering the same fate.

The issue is socio-economics. Not immigration.

Placing the blame at immigrants and voting tory certainly won’t make things better.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Stench of bad racism in this thread is strong.

 

[davek]

Stench of bad racism in this thread is strong.

They're emboldened right now. They believe they're horrendous word view to be in the ascendency and they'll seek to roll back the norms and values on forums like this, bit by bit, so the casual racism and sexism that used to dominate on football forums make an unwelcome return. They're parasites and need closely watching.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

They're emboldened right now. They believe they're horrendous word view to be in the ascendency and they'll seek to roll back the norms and values on forums like this, bit by bit, so the casual racism and sexism that used to dominate on football forums make an unwelcome return. They're parasites and need closely watching.

Honestly, reading back the last few pages blaming migrants for the broader impoverishment of towns and cities is mind boggling.

 

[davek]

Honestly, reading back the last few pages blaming migrants for the broader impoverishment of towns and cities is mind boggling.

@arminisgod lowers the tone right down, then the infantry join the fray to say stuff like "yeah, but they're not all bad..." but then go on to essentially agree with him.

They must think our heads are zipped at the back.

Stay vigilant. No Pasaran!

 

[coollino]

They are poor people, and sadly poor people can't afford to spend in town centres. Sadly and i'll no doubt be called a racist etc the Pakistani's that have moved into East Lancs are poor and very religion based.

People in towns like mine have seen thriving town centres gone because it has coincided with mass immigration. Muslims won't drink in pubs, don't eat in restaurants. They haven't got much money and have very large families, which in turn makes them poorer.

So you have a town centre with no investment, you have over crowded houses that have been left to look like dumps really. If you have any money you won't live in a town like that.

People move out... pubs can't trade... restaurants shut down... house prices plummet... it's a cycle. And a cycle thats started in areas like mine since immigration.

I know Muslim's that DJ, put on club nights, review electronic music and go to pubs. They are very similar to me and you.

 

[Charro]

Also, the reason a lot of places shut down in high streets these days is due to rent, not profit.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Also, the reason a lot of places shut down in high streets these days is due to rent, not profit.

I read an article a couple of years back, arguing that these attempts to regenerate the high street were pointless and the idea of the high street being a natural way of life was a fallacy.
Need creative solutions and targeted investment

 

[orchard]

I read an article a couple of years back, arguing that these attempts to regenerate the high street were pointless and the idea of the high street being a natural way of life was a fallacy.
Need creative solutions and targeted investment

Pet shop owners based in the Cayman Islands?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I read an article a couple of years back, arguing that these attempts to regenerate the high street were pointless and the idea of the high street being a natural way of life was a fallacy.
Need creative solutions and targeted investment

More people living in town centres above shops etc, not just transient workforce on short contracts in crap conditions but good housing quality housing for families like they do but dare I say it France and such like. Of course housing in the UK would need total overhaul in particular landlording perspective.
Polish green grocery opened in our town centre doing really well, guess what community lives in the town centre, not me but crisps are much tastier.

 

[arminisgod]

I know Muslim's that DJ, put on club nights, review electronic music and go to pubs. They are very similar to me and you.

Yes but not ones in the area I live in. Cities and northern towns are very different

 

[Tree13]

Why would people be so anti freedom of movement?

Wrong question (as evidenced by the result of the last GE, and the recent by-election in Hartlepool).

People ARE anti freedom of movement. Every time the electorate is asked this question, the answer is clearly given. What is confusing is the continued stubborn refusal of the Labour party to accept this as current fact. Labour either has to start making a strong case FOR freedom of movement, or abandon it as a policy. There's no point continually telling the electorate that they are wrong and then just asking the same question again.