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[Blues Harp]

It's a witchhunt.

Where are you now

I really hate the 2020 version of the Labour Party.

Any comment on this Luciana?
Eh... Can't hear you, speak up please.
The sound of silence.

 

[davek]

Where are you now

Any comment on this Luciana?
Eh... Can't hear you, speak up please.
The sound of silence.

What was it: "Labour for the many, not for the Jew" Corbyn's critics fired at him?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I really hate the 2020 version of the Labour Party.

Anyone who breezily uses the word "comrade" is a major weapon tbh.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Anyone who breezily uses the word "comrade" is a major weapon tbh.

As much Pro Zionism some might say.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

As much Pro Zionism some might say.

Religion is equally absurd tbh.

 

[Paris]

Centre right tories mate.....more of the same austerity policies watered down to pacify the 80% of the media owned by tory billionaires....and before you ask, no I am not a Labour party member.
Perhaps you prefer the piss stained Y fronts of the BNP, EDL, UKIP and other far right entryists into the tory party?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Religion is equally absurd tbh.

Each to their own, until it harms others...

 

[peteblue]

Each to their own, until it harms others...

Indeed, it’s hard to understand how religion becomes a weapon of war. Belongs back in the dark ages...

 

[BigMick]

Appalled at the suspension of Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi, who I have met several times and is a tireless Jewish campaigner for Palestinian rights.

This isn't fighting antisemitism. It's using it to silence people who advocate for Palestine.

Become such a smear against Labour and they don’t know how to react. Corbyn was the same. They seem to freak out at any suggestion.
Doesn’t help with idiots like Livingstone about piping up with total nonsense.

That's only true because Starmer hasn't made policy yet. We exist with Corbyn era policy, as it stands.

But look at what's happening on issues over party unity (a promise broken); abstaining on the spy cops bill; standing aside and failing to oppose deportations. Doesn't leave you with the impression that the policies (when he finally speaks up to make his known) will be a continuation of the immediate past, does it?

It's a witchhunt.

If there is a witchhunt then it's self-inflicted. After what she said at her CLP the leadership had no option but to suspend her, so she, and the others, is either incredibly stupid or desperate to show off her Corbynista credentials, wearing her suspension like a badge of honour rather than feeling a sense of shame. She must have known that by deliberately defying the leadership the only possible outcome was suspension.

I know nothing of the lady in question other than she defended Ken Livingstone in his suspension hearing and is a spokesperson for the JVL, a modern day version of the Yevsektsiya, set up to camouflage antisemitism, not in the post-revolution Soviet government, but in the 21st century Labour Party.

There are two people who could put an immediate end to the 'witchhunt'. One is Starmer, but if he gives in now he might as well resign the leadership at the same time. The other, of course, is Corbyn, but that would require him to for once put the interests of the party ahead of his ego by withdrawing his original statement and issuing a short clarification that he accepts the findings of the EHRC and will work to ensure their demands are fully implemented. It can't be beyond Seamus, Shameless Shami, and Schneider to come up with a wording which will satisfy everyone, while at the same time being a nudge-nudge, wink-wink form of words for his supporters, the equivalent of him having to sing the National Anthem or watch the Queen's Speech (on Christmas morning): they would know he didn't mean it but was forced to do it for the good of the party.

Personally, I couldn't care less what happens to Corbyn, He's yesterday's man, hapless and hopeless, and like other ex-leaders should retire quietly to the back benches or quit altogether. I also couldn't care less about anyone daft enough to follow him into political oblivion. It's a strange hill to choose to die on, supporting the vanity of one man.

What I do care about is the future of the left, which needs to be strong and fully intact when Starmer, as Dave says above, eventually gets around to formulating his policies. At the moment I've seen nothing from him other than a predilection for splinters in his backside. It's vital that the left voice is heard at that time and that they remain strong enough to exert some sort of influence, not made ineffectual by suspensions or expulsions because of some sentimental but misguided loyalty to one man.

 

[davek]

If there is a witchhunt then it's self-inflicted. After what she said at her CLP the leadership had no option but to suspend her, so she, and the others, is either incredibly stupid or desperate to show off her Corbynista credentials, wearing her suspension like a badge of honour rather than feeling a sense of shame. She must have known that by deliberately defying the leadership the only possible outcome was suspension.

I know nothing of the lady in question other than she defended Ken Livingstone in his suspension hearing and is a spokesperson for the JVL, a modern day version of the Yevsektsiya, set up to camouflage antisemitism, not in the post-revolution Soviet government, but in the 21st century Labour Party.

There are two people who could put an immediate end to the 'witchhunt'. One is Starmer, but if he gives in now he might as well resign the leadership at the same time. The other, of course, is Corbyn, but that would require him to for once put the interests of the party ahead of his ego by withdrawing his original statement and issuing a short clarification that he accepts the findings of the EHRC and will work to ensure their demands are fully implemented. It can't be beyond Seamus, Shameless Shami, and Schneider to come up with a wording which will satisfy everyone, while at the same time being a nudge-nudge, wink-wink form of words for his supporters, the equivalent of him having to sing the National Anthem or watch the Queen's Speech (on Christmas morning): they would know he didn't mean it but was forced to do it for the good of the party.

Personally, I couldn't care less what happens to Corbyn, He's yesterday's man, hapless and hopeless, and like other ex-leaders should retire quietly to the back benches or quit altogether. I also couldn't care less about anyone daft enough to follow him into political oblivion. It's a strange hill to choose to die on, supporting the vanity of one man.

What I do care about is the future of the left, which needs to be strong and fully intact when Starmer, as Dave says above, eventually gets around to formulating his policies. At the moment I've seen nothing from him other than a predilection for splinters in his backside. It's vital that the left voice is heard at that time and that they remain strong enough to exert some sort of influence, not made ineffectual by suspensions or expulsions because of some sentimental but misguided loyalty to one man.

The funny part of this is that you actually believe that an apology from Corbyn would stem the wave of attacks on him and the rest of the Left in the party.

Incredible lack of feel for the subject. You aren't reading the tea leaves here mate.

 

[BigMick]

The funny part of this is that you actually believe that an apology from Corbyn would stem the wave of attacks on him and the rest of the Left in the party.

Incredible lack of feel for the subject. You aren't reading the tea leaves here mate.

You may be right but at least it would remove Starmer's excuse for denying him the whip and demolish the reason for the 'witchhunt'. Perhaps you know better, but if Starmer has set a trap for the left, they are falling like lemmings into it.

 

[davek]

You may be right but at least it would remove Starmer's excuse for denying him the whip and demolish the reason for the 'witchhunt'. Perhaps you know better, but if Starmer has set a trap for the left, they are falling like lemmings into it.

He's not setting traps, he's seeing to it that they are ousted from his Cabinet and suspended from the party. There's no subtlety here. It's an all out attack. You pointing the finger at the victims of that attack makes no sense.

 

[BigMick]

He's not setting traps, he's seeing to it that they are ousted from his Cabinet and suspended from the party. There's no subtlety here. It's an all out attack. You pointing the finger at the victims of that attack makes no sense.

So if Corbyn does as I suggest - which I know he won't - wouldn't Starmer need another excuse to continue his 'all out attack'? Or do you think he would carry on regardless, suspending people who have committed no offence, but just simply because they are 'left'?

 

[davek]

So if Corbyn does as I suggest - which I know he won't - wouldn't Starmer need another excuse to continue his 'all out attack'? Or do you think he would carry on regardless, suspending people who have committed no offence, but just simply because they are 'left'?

He may or may not return the whip to Corbyn...and then carry on the attack on the slightest pretext.

You surely know the way this is heading and who's provoking whom here?

Incredible if you cant.

 

[davek]

A disgrace backed by Starmer.

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