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[davek]

Green's comments were disgraceful...seems Max Headroom is OK with that sort of remark though.

No attempt to get her to resign by the Torturer's friend. But Long-Bailey gets sacked on a pretext by him.

And some idiots in the LP membership thought it'd be a great idea to make the sleazy Starmer leader. Let them repent at leisure.

 

[LEONARD]

The first step taken on the long road back to power.

 

[MondayHater]

who is max

That’s my cats name....I always knew he was up to somthing.,..

 

[davek]

That Starmer rat looking to abstain on this again.

MI5 bill prompts rebellion by 20 Labour MPs against Starmer

MPs, including Jeremy Corbyn, defied leadership and voted against bill

www.theguardian.com

He sacked three Labour MPs from their positions as junior ministers last time.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

That Starmer rat looking to abstain on this again.

MI5 bill prompts rebellion by 20 Labour MPs against Starmer

MPs, including Jeremy Corbyn, defied leadership and voted against bill

www.theguardian.com

He sacked three Labour MPs from their positions as junior ministers last time.

He is setting us up for power. Pushing the radicals to either go to their natural parties, fall in line with the Labour moderate view or disengage. He is going to give the party its best chance of ruling and doing the things that the moderate majority want.

 

[davek]

He is setting us up for power. Pushing the radicals to either go to their natural parties, fall in line with the Labour moderate view or disengage. He is going to give the party its best chance of ruling and doing the things that the moderate majority want.

Look at what he's failing to oppose: the ability for the police to use information gathered from people by informants instructed to lie and lead a double life.

That's consistent with his work as DPP when he supported the 'security' forces in their shoot to kill policy and torture.

Dont call a beast like that *moderate*. WTF is moderate about that?

 

[tsubaki]

He is setting us up for power. Pushing the radicals to either go to their natural parties, fall in line with the Labour moderate view or disengage. He is going to give the party its best chance of ruling and doing the things that the moderate majority want.

lol

I remember when forcing people to become politically homeless was something people used to cite as bullying.

 

[Tubey]

lol

I remember when forcing people to become politically homeless was something people used to cite as bullying.

Well, it is. Corbyn/Momentum did the same.

I don't condone either, but ultimately the Labour civil war was started by the left. I don't see how Starmer can make Labour electable without doing what he's doing. I wish there was an alternative but I don't think there is. The whole point of him is that he isn't Corbyn.

So I don't condone, but I understand.

 

[Tubey]

He is setting us up for power. Pushing the radicals to either go to their natural parties, fall in line with the Labour moderate view or disengage. He is going to give the party its best chance of ruling and doing the things that the moderate majority want.

Spot on. It's about choosing battles. That's what the extremists don't understand - if you're against everything all the time, you lose the impact you can have when you're against something that's important.

 

[davek]

Well, it is. Corbyn/Momentum did the same.

I don't condone either, but ultimately the Labour civil war was started by the left. I don't see how Starmer can make Labour electable without doing what he's doing. I wish there was an alternative but I don't think there is. The whole point of him is that he isn't Corbyn.

So I don't condone, but I understand.

Do elaborate...

 

[Tubey]

Do elaborate...

For me, the exploitation of the Labour leadership election rule mistake by Milliband was a declaration of war on Labour since Blair.

You can argue of course that the removal of Clause IV was the initial declaration of war, but being actually electable since then was a 'ceasefire', as everyone understood the necessity.

But now, you have dinosaurs of the Momentum era not understanding the necessity of what Starmer is doing. Fortunately, they're the minority now and Long-Bailey wasn't backed the same way, and Labour are on their way - miraculously - from climbing out of a situation that looked like certain destruction just a year ago.

 

[davek]

For me, the exploitation of the Labour leadership election rule mistake by Milliband was a declaration of war on Labour since Blair.

You can argue of course that the removal of Clause IV was the initial declaration of war, but being actually electable since then was a 'ceasefire', as everyone understood the necessity.

But now, you have dinosaurs of the Momentum era not understanding the necessity of what Starmer is doing. Fortunately, they're the minority now and Long-Bailey wasn't backed the same way, and Labour are on their way - miraculously - from climbing out of a situation that looked like certain destruction just a year ago.

The people you call 'moderates' are apostles of the free market. They therefore have no place in the Labour Party...a party set up to blunt the attacks of the market on the working class in Britain.

They are not Labour. They are an alien invasion.

 

[roydo]

The people you call 'moderates' are apostles of the free market. They therefore have no place in the Labour Party...a party set up to blunt the attacks of the market on the working class in Britain.

They are not Labour. They are an alien invasion.

Just curious. But who are the working class these days? Like, it was obvious when the Labour Party was formed, just not so sure these days.

And how do the markets attack them?

 

[tsubaki]

Well, it is. Corbyn/Momentum did the same.

I don't condone either, but ultimately the Labour civil war was started by the left. I don't see how Starmer can make Labour electable without doing what he's doing. I wish there was an alternative but I don't think there is. The whole point of him is that he isn't Corbyn.

So I don't condone, but I understand.

No they did not, Tubey. This is as much of a myth as you blaming Miliband for the rule change - something which they (the right) called for.

 

[Tubey]

No they did not, Tubey. This is as much of a myth as you blaming Miliband for the rule change - something which they (the right) called for.

It isn't a myth. It's what happened.

And yes, I'm aware it was initially an idea of Blair - as I said, it was a mistake that was exploited.