The way the left treat George Soros is a disgrace.
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dead_soft
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Please explain
tsubaki
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some profound ignorance on display here
Honestly, no. I don't see the point. Look it up yourself. Start with Judas, work your way up to Shylock, then go from there. The through link you're looking for is the Jewish stereotype as money controllers.
Good luck.
dead_soft
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So is it maybe not anti-semites will use any hook? It’s a really poorly thought through argument that you hoped to not have to explain but hoped it would enable you to ‘prove’ the left are anti-Semitic.
The far right have more regularly used anti-Semitic tropes but for some reason here we have, again, people who love the establishment trying to suggest it’s the left wing
ForeverBlue92
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Are those far left trouble causers momentum still around the party?
If Starmer had any sense he would send them packing.
If Starmer had any sense he would send them packing.
Spadge Vernacular
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The purge has begun.
dead_soft
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Weird to be anti authoritarian but say you’d get rid of dissenting voices within a labour movement
ForeverBlue92
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Sooner the better - their fault we have been stuck with the Tories.
You made 2 statements. The first is that if hes right wing he doesnt hold those views. The second that its "beyond dispute" that anti semitism is more on the left than the right.
Both of those statements are utter rubbish I'm afraid mate. The most infamous right wing government in history-the Nazis tried to eliminate every Jewish person. It completely contradicts both of your statements.
Wiley's comments were anti-semitic. They are also not left wing. I dont even know if hes left wing, but I doubt hes read a single book by say Marx, Engels, Trotsky etc. I'd guess not.
The left wing case re Israel is that it should belong to the people who inhibit the area, under a secular state. The right wing case is that it belongs to x,y or z ethnic/religious group based on orthodox and conservative interpretation of the texts. Not only would he be able to hold his views whole being g right wing, hed be actively enhanced with it.
There was recently a piece of yougov polling, that showed categorically that anti-semitism was far less in Labour voters and far greater in right wing Conservatjve voters. The evidence is very clear, one of the bid indicators of being anti-semitic is holding right wing views.
So let's pack in with the dog whistles, that a music DJ, espousing orthodox biblical teachings from a right wing religion is somewhat the fault of the largely secular, open minded left. Wiley has nothing to do with me.
1. Here's your proof - https://antisemitism.uk/barometer/
2. The Nazis were 1930s - it's now 2020.
3. Once again, I didn't say "all" - so stop equating it to yourself. I'm saying it's more prominent in the far left, in the UK, in 2020. That is the truth. Again, see above.
It's your assumption that's anti-semitic here though, that criticising capitalism is the same as criticising Judaism, because it works to the anti-semitic premise that Jewish people control capitalism/control the banks/control the media which is wholly untrue. It's a racist slur. Jewish people are as much the victims as any other group of capitalism, and in truth under regimes such as the Nazis were bigger victims than any other group.
1) I'm struggling to see the evidence that shows you cant be right and not be anti-semitic. That group associate people who are anti-Zionist as the same as anti-semitic so is really in invalid study. The evidence I've provided directly contradicts that, so let's stick to that.
2) If you're going to preach about anti-semitism it might help to get the correct decade. The Holocaust happened in the 1940s, so presumably in your theory that couldn't have happened?
Either way, there are thousands of Nazi organisations today, who venerate and look to emulate what the Nazis did. It's a very real problem today. I mean is your point we should just ignore them?
3) Well you said people on the right wouldn't hold that view. Its complete rubbish isnt it? Given the evidence provided.
I've explained why the evidence above doesnt really work, the evidence I've provided, a YouGov study is very clear, the more left wing you are, the less racist and anti-semitic you are. That's the truth in as far as it exists.
Wiley is not left wing. Hes a black bloke who follows a right wing religion and a concept that a country and be carved up based upon what a religious text states. That's complete idiocy isnt it?
Correct, that's the nuanced, non-anti-semitic way of looking at it.
Anti-semites don't do that. Hence why it's anti-semitic.
Hence stuff like this:
Just like you can criticise Israel without being anti-semitic, you can criticise capitalism without being anti-semitic, and that's where people fall down on the left inparticular - they can't separate the two.
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