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That it's invariably the far left that have a tendency towards anti-semitism. My view is there needs to be much needed introspection amongst those with that political view as to why it is so prevalent, and indeed why so many people pretend that it isn't.

because Corbyn thanked Wiley for his support he supports all his views? Massively insane to suggest either of the people you quoted are far left.
I’ve seen loads of condemnation of Wiley from people on the left whilst I’ve just seen people on the right say ‘well he’s pals with Corbyn’.
 
because Corbyn thanked Wiley for his support he supports all his views? Massively insane to suggest either of the people you quoted are far left.
I’ve seen loads of condemnation of Wiley from people on the left whilst I’ve just seen people on the right say ‘well he’s pals with Corbyn’.

No, not because of that - I posted the Corbyn message to highlight Wileys place on the political spectrum.

And Corbyn is far left. Sorry to break it to you.
 
No, not because of that - I posted the Corbyn message to highlight Wileys place on the political spectrum.

And Corbyn is far left. Sorry to break it to you.

Are you saying Wiley is far left? And therefore because he is it shows the far left having a problem with anti-Semitism. Absolutely world class take.

Nah he ain’t. He’s further left than many in his party but that’s not the same. Though I guess if you still say you’re on the centre left it would make him far left?
 
Are you saying Wiley is far left? And therefore because he is it shows the far left having a problem with anti-Semitism. Absolutely world class take.

Nah he ain’t. He’s further left than many in his party but that’s not the same. Though I guess if you still say you’re on the centre left it would make him far left?

Just makes me laugh how people can still claim Corbyn isn't far left...

You're comparing him to the far left of the 70s/80s and saying he's moderate in comparison. The problem with doing that is we live in 2020 now and the political landscape is different.

He is far left, by definition, without any doubt whatsoever.
 
Just makes me laugh how people can still claim Corbyn isn't far left...

You're comparing him to the far left of the 70s/80s and saying he's moderate in comparison. The problem with doing that is we live in 2020 now and the political landscape is different.

He is far left, by definition, without any doubt whatsoever.

Far left is used as analogous to the far right. If we are going to talk about how terminology has changed that is important. He is not far left. He is left wing.
Far left is used to discredit ideas without thinking. I’m no Corbynite but far left is a term used less to do with his politics (traditional left wing).
 


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To his credit, at least he's being blatant with his anti-semitism.


I can't see how this has got much to do with Corbyn, Wiley is talking how he thinks Israel should belong to black Hebrews.

I'm don't think I have seen that in Labour, it could be argued that this is more of a right thing.
 
I can't see how this has got much to do with Corbyn, Wiley is talking how he thinks Israel should belong to black Hebrews.

I'm don't think I have seen that in Labour, it could be argued that this is more of a right thing.

As said above, I posted the Corbyn message solely to highlight Wileys place on the political spectrum, and thus highlight the ongoing problem the left have with anti-semitism.
 
As said above, I posted the Corbyn message solely to highlight Wileys place on the political spectrum, and thus highlight the ongoing problem the left have with anti-semitism.

His outlook on Israel have nothing to do with his political stance though. The main motivation from what I can decipher, is a kind of unique interpretstion of Rastapharianism.

Lots of people believe Israel belongs to black people. Lots think it belongs to Jewish people. Some Christians, others Arabs. As someone who is "far left" (whatever that entails) I'd say they areall a little bit odd and probably need to move beyond literal intepretations of religious texts.
 
His outlook on Israel have nothing to do with his political stance though. The main motivation from what I can decipher, is a kind of unique interpretstion of Rastapharianism.

Lots of people believe Israel belongs to black people. Lots think it belongs to Jewish people. Some Christians, others Arabs. As someone who is "far left" (whatever that entails) I'd say they areall a little bit odd and probably need to move beyond literal intepretations of religious texts.

I think it's beyond dispute at this point that antisemitism is more prominent on the left, yet people continue to deny it. Even with Wileys tweets there's a sizeable amount saying its not antisemitism when it is as clear as day it is.

If he's right wing, he doesn't hold those views IMO.
 
I think it's beyond dispute at this point that antisemitism is more prominent on the left, yet people continue to deny it. Even with Wileys tweets there's a sizeable amount saying its not antisemitism when it is as clear as day it is.

If he's right wing, he doesn't hold those views IMO.

I'm sorry but not only is there a dispute about this, but it's patently untrue. Left wing ideology is about being anti-racist, and also supportiveof Jewish people. It has many prominent Jewish thinkers, probably beyond any other grouping. Right wing ideology is what caused the holocaust and the continued denial of it.

As for his views, essentially literal intepretations of a religious text, I have no idea why being right wing would proclude this. I'd go as far as to say it enables it. No left wing text, or thinker advocates the Rastafarian view of the world (in fact it criticises it).

I've been left wing all of my life, and actively challenged anti-semitism all my life. What you're saying is complete nonsense I'm afraid.
 
I'm sorry but not only is there a dispute about this, but it's patently untrue. Left wing ideology is about being anti-racist, and also supportiveof Jewish people. It has many prominent Jewish thinkers, probably beyond any other grouping. Right wing ideology is what caused the holocaust and the continued denial of it.

As for his views, essentially literal intepretations of a religious text, I have no idea why being right wing would proclude this. I'd go as far as to say it enables it. No left wing text, or thinker advocates the Rastafarian view of the world (in fact it criticises it).

I've been left wing all of my life, and actively challenged anti-semitism all my life. What you're saying is complete nonsense I'm afraid.

I didn't say "all" - I said it was more prominent. All you're saying here is the common defence as to why antisemitism on the left is basically a myth, when it patently isn't.

Its not "nonsense" - the left have a real problem with antisemitism and its rooted in their ideology in terms of anti capitalism. The further left, the more acute it is.
 
Labours support of Zionism, throughout most of the last century, is something that is not often discussed or acknowledged, especially of late as the focus has been upon Corbyn, his far-left clique and anti-Semitism. The MSM and conversations rarely acknowledge that the resettlement and immigration of Jews to Palestine in the 1930s posed a grave concern for the Tory government. They had feared an uprising of the Palestinian Arabs and neighbouring states, as a vocal concern that the increasing number of Jewish settlers posed the threat of a gradual takeover of Palestine by Jewish migrants. To placate the Palestinians the Torys had proposed a ‘Legislative Assembly’ to ensure that the Palestinians had a voice in all matters regarding the future of the country. To Labour and the Zionists, this proposal opened the possibility for the Palestinians to have a real influence which posed a threat, at least until the Zionists were in a majority and so opposition to this institution was led by the Labour party - something that is not widely discussed.

This traditional Labour view was contrary to the likes of the Communist Party and far-left view. The UK Communists followed the view that Zionism and settlement was a part of the UK and American imperialism.

There is also the debate of influence within the far left and whether Marx was an anti-Semite. Though I’m not sure that there is a definitive he was certainly not sympathetic as bore out in quotes such as;

“What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities….”

If I am not mistaken, post WW2, dissent against Israel came from a small number of pro-Arab MPs from the more left of left persuasion which was much the case until the back end of the last century. In the 1980s with that round of far-left entryism from Communists and Militants attempt to hijack the party and shift it to the peripheries of the left, Labour moved its support of Israel to a view considering Palestinian rights.

This should be balanced against the growth of right-wing politics in Israel, and also growing support from British Jews towards conservatism, but, the key variable was entryist activity and the growth of the far left within the party. I am not suggesting that identification with Palestinian nationalism did not resonate to certain degrees across the party and all parties in some respects but the Palestinian struggle was packaged, aligned and coopted with a new breed of far-left activism and unilateralism.

I think it was Alderman who described the descent of the Labour party into war with the Jews during the early ’80s. Some may disagree with this observation but for the moderates, it was a concern and sympathy for the Jewish cause remained if not for Likud. Corbyn, Lansman, Murphy, Milne and co brought the latest entryist attempt to move the party toward their ideals and with them sadly but not surprisingly, came a rise in anti-Semitism which is thankfully now being dealt with.
 
I didn't say "all" - I said it was more prominent. All you're saying here is the common defence as to why antisemitism on the left is basically a myth, when it patently isn't.

Its not "nonsense" - the left have a real problem with antisemitism and its rooted in their ideology in terms of anti capitalism. The further left, the more acute it is.

Please expand on why antisemitism is rooted in anti capitalism.
 
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