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[tsubaki]

Only in your eyes......

not really pete - I mean we can all watch them, read the transcripts etc

 

[Jebus_lives]

It does Corbyn was a nailed on loser...... Momentum may be big in the cities ... that's it......

You know we're talking about Tom Bowers book don't you?

You seem a bit confused

 

[Jebus_lives]

It‘s one of his endearing qualities.......

It really isn't.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Key Findings from Labour's report in to the 2019 general election:

Key findings include:

• Labour “went into the 2019 election without a clear strategy of which voters we needed to persuade or how”, and failed to settle on a coherent message with the power of 2017’s: “For the many, not the few”.

• “It was unclear who was in charge” of the election campaign, and relationships were soured by years of infighting which had created a “toxic culture” and “significant strategic and operational dysfunction”.

• Labour was outgunned by the Tories in the digital war, with messages poorly coordinated and most of them failing to reach beyond the party’s base.

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• Helped by their clear “Get Brexit done” message, the Conservatives succeeded in turning out 2 million previous non-voters, accounting for two thirds of the increase in their vote share.

• Labour’s seat targeting was “unrealistic” and “not evidence-based”, and many candidates felt they did not receive enough support from the national party.

Dysfunctional 'toxic culture' led to Labour defeat, major report finds https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-finds?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Hardly surprising that.

There seems to be no bigger critic of Labour candidates than another faction of the Labour party.

 

[peteblue]

not really pete - I mean we can all watch them, read the transcripts etc

I have no doubt that the written words, read quietly, will show that Starmer has incisively cut Boris to pieces. But that’s not how PMQ’s works, and is not what most people will see and hear. They will see a happy Boris smashing a miserable Starmer to the boundary. The media will pick up one or two of his best lines and run with them. Corbyn was never that bad if you actually listened to him, but again that wasn’t the point......

 

[peteblue]

It really isn't.

It is for those that like him....

 

[Jebus_lives]

It is for those that like him....

The endearing qualities of someone you want to be king are those of the jester?

 

[tsubaki]

I have no doubt that the written words, read quietly, will show that Starmer has incisively cut Boris to pieces. But that’s not how PMQ’s works, and is not what most people will see and hear. They will see a happy Boris smashing a miserable Starmer to the boundary. The media will pick up one or two of his best lines and run with them. Corbyn was never that bad if you actually listened to him, but again that wasn’t the point......

That is all levels of stupid, though. You are saying because the media edits it completely to Johnson's advantage that therefore Johnson "wins".

If you think thats a healthy thing then good luck to you, you will need it at your age and their record of managing pandemics.

 

[peteblue]

That is all levels of stupid, though. You are saying because the media edits it completely to Johnson's advantage that therefore Johnson "wins".

If you think thats a healthy thing then good luck to you, you will need it at your age and their record of managing pandemics.

PMQ’s is an opportunity for the Opposition leader to hold the executive to account and raise issues that may embarrass the government. Can you identify anything where Starmer has done so and ‘won’......

 

[tsubaki]

PMQ’s is an opportunity for the Opposition leader to hold the executive to account and raise issues that may embarrass the government. Can you identify anything where Starmer has done so and ‘won’......

pete - you've just said:

I have no doubt that the written words, read quietly, will show that Starmer has incisively cut Boris to pieces. But that’s not how PMQ’s works, and is not what most people will see and hear. They will see a happy Boris smashing a miserable Starmer to the boundary. The media will pick up one or two of his best lines and run with them. Corbyn was never that bad if you actually listened to him, but again that wasn’t the point......

how on earth can you expect him to hold the executive to account when you admit the media edits everything to conceal him holding the executive to account?

but as you mention it, here are a few U-turns and embarrassments for Johnson that came after Starmer raised them at PMQs:

i) the NHS surcharge
ii) the free school meals vouchers over the summer
iii) MPs voting by proxy
iv) Johnson lying over the advice given about discharging care home patients

 

[Jebus_lives]

PMQ’s is an opportunity for the Opposition leader to hold the executive to account and raise issues that may embarrass the government. Can you identify anything where Starmer has done so and ‘won’......

Johnson was getting battered at the start. Anyone saying otherwise is deluded. He looked every bit the pantomime clown trying to play a serious role

 

[Joey66]

You know we're talking about Tom Bowers book don't you?

You seem a bit confused

Tom Bower is not being sued nor is Corbyn the recipient of any court settlement.......

 

[peteblue]

pete - you've just said:



how on earth can you expect him to hold the executive to account when you admit the media edits everything to conceal him holding the executive to account?

but as you mention it, here are a few U-turns and embarrassments for Johnson that came after Starmer raised them at PMQs:

i) the NHS surcharge
ii) the free school meals vouchers over the summer
iii) MPs voting by proxy
iv) Johnson lying over the advice given about discharging care home patients

i) Was already happening, he just jumped on the bandwagon
ii) Rashford
iii) How did that help the country or the voters, it was just for his own convenience.
iv) What, Boris tells fibs......I’m shocked.....

 

[peteblue]

Johnson was getting battered at the start. Anyone saying otherwise is deluded. He looked every bit the pantomime clown trying to play a serious role

I’ve seen Boxers getting battered at the start who turned it around, and know of wars that also didn’t favour the eventual winners at the beginning. But I actually do agree that Starmer got off to a good start, but ......

 

[tsubaki]

i) Was already happening, he just jumped on the bandwagon
ii) Rashford
iii) How did that help the country or the voters, it was just for his own convenience.
iv) What, Boris tells fibs......I’m shocked.....

sadly pete you recognize that he is lying to you, but still believe him anyway

take your Rashford point - Starmer raised that the week before