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[Spadge Vernacular]

Or indeed none of those things

Yeah, OK mate

 

[LocalNative]

Aye, the biggest GE defeat in a 100 years and riddled with militant tendency and communist entryists.

Them bells in Momentum put the final nails in Corbyn's coffin. Their far, far left-wing extremism divided a party and made Labour a bit of a laughing stock.. particularly when considering the hypocrisy of a lot of their belief's/promotions.

Starmer has made good progress, however, the party is still divided amongst members who live in a daydream of Woodstock and those wanting to actually push the tory's. I don't honestly believe Labour would ever have won a GE with Corbyn in charge, it was a necessary change.

 

[tsubaki]

I love how at a time when the entire country is realising that the Tories and their mates in the media tell obvious fibs, that posters here repeat earlier obvious fibs as if they are gospel truth.

Labour isn’t full of far far far left types, communists, entryists or Militant. That’s why they voted in Starmer just now. It isn’t divided either.

By all means keep prattling on though.

 

[bring the ghost on]

Left us in a (much) better state than he found us, too

This probably depends on what you consider a good state for Labour to be in.

I do think it’s good that he has instilled some values back into a party which had become very lost in its identity.

However, he has created problems in terms of Brexit, the dealing of the anti-semitism allegations, etc, some of which will stick.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Quotes from the Socialist Party (formerly Militant), not from Labour but a separate political party, to their members to involve themselves within the Labour party.

The immediate task is to mobilise for Jeremy Corbyn's re-election. But also to organise to ensure that this time victory is consolidated by remaking Labour as a party that is working class and socialist…

Keep Corbyn meetings should be organised independently, including by trade union branches - and involving Corbyn supporters inside and outside the Labour Party…

The idea that the social movement developing around Jeremy Corbyn could conduct an effective struggle within the confines of the Labour Party in the event that he is unseated from the leadership is utopian…

Good old Jeremy hand picking people from the Communist party and Stalinist's as he key people too.

I understand these entryists understand that their own political parties have zero chance of success in the UK but their attempts to hijack Labour had no chance in the end.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I love how at a time when the entire country is realising that the Tories and their mates in the media tell obvious fibs, that posters here repeat earlier obvious fibs as if they are gospel truth.

Labour isn’t full of far far far left types, communists, entryists or Militant. That’s why they voted in Starmer just now. It isn’t divided either.

By all means keep prattling on though.

As I voted for Starmer, like to add although my inclination is that I'm further left of Starmer, however that is yet to be evidenced with manifesto. Its just simple democracy at play. And party discipline was a key issue for myself. Also the continuous engagement from Labour and now Starmer continues with constant reaching out to members for policy, we all have a voice still with Labour.

And there is a big debate in the Liberal party moving themselves back to left. Putting the best left foot forward, it's the a natural drift now.

 

[Blue 1]

He's another Miliband. A huge void where an ideology should be. A careerist. No more, no less.

I agree with you about a fair bit, @davek , and I've still not made my mind up about Starmer. I'm not buying the hype but I'm not writing him off, either. Let's wait and see which direction policy takes, shall we?

BUT

Why would you give up a career as a QC to go into politics?

Not for the money or prestige, that's for sure.

 

[davek]

I love how at a time when the entire country is realising that the Tories and their mates in the media tell obvious fibs, that posters here repeat earlier obvious fibs as if they are gospel truth.

Labour isn’t full of far far far left types, communists, entryists or Militant. That’s why they voted in Starmer just now. It isn’t divided either.

By all means keep prattling on though.

Unfortunately it IS. Neo-liberal scum entered the party in the 1980s and took over a workers party to replace it's egalitarian core beliefs and to drag the party over to the right to worship market forces - and now those Blairites are back in contention under the protective wing of "Sir" Keir Starmer, the former DPP who shileded the Establishment when in office. The same useless nobhead who's let the taking of of 63,000 lives in the last 3 months go by withoiut landing a glove on the murderers who took them.

 

[tsubaki]

Unfortunately it IS. Neo-liberal scum entered the party in the 1980s and took over a workers party to replace it's egalitarian core beliefs and to drag the party over to the right to worship market forces - and now those Blairites are back in contention under the protective wing of "Sir" Keir Starmer, the former DPP who shileded the Establishment when in office. The same useless nobhead who's let the taking of of 63,000 lives in the last 3 months go by withoiut landing a glove on the murderers who took them.

Dave the last point is way off - yes, he hasn’t punched them in the face since the last PMQs but that’s mainly because they’ve spent all weekend punching themselves in the face.

 

[davek]

I agree with you about a fair bit, @davek , and I've still not made my mind up about Starmer. I'm not buying the hype but I'm not writing him off, either. Let's wait and see which direction policy takes, shall we?

BUT

Why would you give up a career as a QC to go into politics?

Not for the money or prestige, that's for sure.

When he shifts away from the policies set out in the last couple of LP manifestos - taking more sectors into public ownership, rolling out the green vision for the economy...which he WILL...we'll see how far the LP membership and trade unions will stick with him. He can count only on the Blairite and Blair-lite PLP to stick with him when that happens.

The feller is detemined to drag the LP to the 'centre' ground: the acceptance unquestioningly of market forces and a foreign policy wedded to Washington and Tel Aviv.

 

[davek]

Dave the last point is way off - yes, he hasn’t punched them in the face since the last PMQs but that’s mainly because they’ve spent all weekend punching themselves in the face.

He's been ineffectual.

Bollocks to his 'forensic' nonsense. Cap in hand gets kick in teeth. No one has been taken down. NO ONE. By this time he should have been screaming from the rooftops to get HanCOCK and Cummings sacked. He's seen 63,000 people die in this country and as the opposition he needed to be a lot more on the attack than the weak as piss questioning he's come out with.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Dave the last point is way off - yes, he hasn’t punched them in the face since the last PMQs but that’s mainly because they’ve spent all weekend punching themselves in the face.

It's a classic barrister technique to allow a terrible witness to keep talking.

Kier Starker has said exactly the right things at the right time and kept himself off the screens and the Government lies central in the conversation.

He can welcome an easing in lockdown while maintaining a message about the quality of the public response vs the Government one.

Sometimes, in spite of what some parts of the Labour Party will tell you, screaming at the public what they should think rather than presenting the facts, is completely counter productive.

 

[tsubaki]

It's a classic barrister technique to allow a terrible witness to keep talking.

Kier Starker has said exactly the right things at the right time and kept himself off the screens and the Government lies central in the conversation.

He can welcome an easing in lockdown while maintaining a message about the quality of the public response vs the Government one.

Sometimes, in spite of what some parts of the Labour Party will tell you, screaming at the public what they should think rather than presenting the facts, is completely counter productive.

TBF letting them talk crap for longer than they are comfortable with is probably the best tactic to use against politicians; they hate the silence and don’t get to give non answer answers. The historian Lawrence Freedman did it to Blair during Chilcott and made him look a complete fool.

 

[Jebus_lives]

TBF letting them talk crap for longer than they are comfortable with is probably the best tactic to use against politicians; they hate the silence and don’t get to give non answer answers. The historian Lawrence Freedman did it to Blair during Chilcott and made him look a complete fool.

If you know someone is lying and you intervene then you allow them to refocus and change direction. Liars want engagement because it means they can assess and alter depending upon what they think is acceptable or unacceptable to the public.

Better to leave them talking.

 

[tsubaki]

If you know someone is lying and you intervene then you allow them to refocus and change direction. Liars want engagement because it means they can assess and alter depending upon what they think is acceptable or unacceptable to the public.

Better to leave them talking.

Certainly with him, that’s after all how that “I predicted Coronavirus” fib emerged, him feeling that he had to come out with something