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[NilSatisOptimum]

Nomination i. In the case of a vacancy for leader or deputy leader, each nomination must be supported by 15 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP. Nominations not attaining this threshold shall be null and void.

so membership decides nominations as well? long bailey will be involved then

Plenty of time, Corbyn is prudent in not dating his exit. Soon after the first of told you so moment will suffice, probably will be on Brexit, then it will be an open field for all leadership candidates.

 

[neil999]

so the most likely 'left' candidates are long-bailey and thornberry, i'd suggest both are prob less 'toxic' to the electorate but still unlikely to win an election

 

[dannyboy]

it’s 2 separate parties and I’d imagine a split will happen in the near future. Labour don’t resolve this and go back it’s roots, the hardworking people who take pride in their jobs and community, then I doubt I’ll see a labour government in power for the next 20 years

For me that´s what the Labour Party is all about and I doubt you´d find anyone from any position in the party who´d argue differently. The message just hasn´t been good enough to these people. It´s why they voted Brexit and why they voted for the Tories last night.

 

[kenada_blue]

Did a young person take your job or something?

You assume they work.

 

[dannyboy]

so the most likely 'left' candidates are long-bailey and thornberry, i'd suggest both are prob less 'toxic' to the electorate but still unlikely to win an election

Not a chance. The white van gaff is reason alone for her being nowhere near the post.

 

[nsno-chris]

For me that´s what the Labour Party is all about and I doubt you´d find anyone from any position in the party who´d argue differently. The message just hasn´t been good enough to these people. It´s why they voted Brexit and why they voted for the Tories last night.

For me, i don't get that anymore. I get identity politics and London, and there'll be a lot of people like me.

 

[neil999]

Not a chance. The white van gaff is reason alone for her being nowhere near the post.

long bailey as left candidate then?

i think she could end up winning it as everyone else will be centreist

 

[dannyboy]

For me, i don't get that anymore. I get identity politics and London, and there'll be a lot of people like me.

Yeah and I understand that. I just think the last thing the Labour Party needs is another civil war. Both sides have got a duty to make things work and learn the lessons. As important as the policies are, the most important thing is having the right leader to sell them. I´m not convinced we have that right now.

 

[Black Belt Jones]

We got crushed last night. I´m all for ideas on how to win again. I just don´t expect many to be coming from Alan Johnson. All his dreams come true last night. He was absolutely gutted when Corbyn got 40% of the vote in 2017.

Been trying to wrap my head around how you go from 40%, which let's face it shows an eminently electable person, to the electoral AIDS of last night. I mean he's hardly changed but we've basically seen disabled ex-miners queuing up to say how much they hate Corbyn and his policies.

2017 result did the damage, unfortunately - a bogus mandate for an unelectable leader.

 

[tsubaki]

no Dan, it doesn’t. if it abandons it’s socialist ideologies it’ll gain far more working class support. Labour was a working mans party that supported working class people to ensure equality.That’s not what corbyn or momentum want, they play identity politics, whatever the “craze” is they’ll throw their weight behind and push it from a social justice viewpoint

That (equality, support of the working class) is what Momentum want, though. Going on about identity politics / social justice is just a lazy criticism.

 

[dannyboy]

long bailey as left candidate then?

i think she could end up winning it as everyone else will be centreist

Not convinced by her either. Tbh, I´m not convinced that there´s anyone waiting in the wings to take on Boris Johnson and win. Depressing as it sounds, the next 5 years could just be a case of regrouping and making small gains next time around before we see if anyone is able to rise to the challenge. Bloody hell, having typed that it´s actually beyond depressing.

 

[zzr45]

Been trying to wrap my head around how you go from 40%, which let's face it shows an eminently electable person, to the electoral AIDS of last night. I mean he's hardly changed but we've basically seen disabled ex-miners queuing up to say how much they hate Corbyn and his policies.

2017 result did the damage, unfortunately - a bogus mandate for an unelectable leader.

John McDonnell and Diane Abbott. Judge a man by the company he keeps. Basically.

 

[neil999]

Not convinced by her either. Tbh, I´m not convinced that there´s anyone waiting in the wings to take on Boris Johnson and win. Depressing as it sounds, the next 5 years could just be a case of regrouping and making small gains next time around before we see if anyone is able to rise to the challenge. Bloody hell, having typed that it´s actually beyond depressing.

safe pair of hands then - starmer

 

[dannyboy]

Been trying to wrap my head around how you go from 40%, which let's face it shows an eminently electable person, to the electoral AIDS of last night. I mean he's hardly changed but we've basically seen disabled ex-miners queuing up to say how much they hate Corbyn and his policies.

2017 result did the damage, unfortunately - a bogus mandate for an unelectable leader.

My take is that it was two years down the line and whereas most people didn´t know much about Corbyn in 2017, this time they had the Daily Mail´s greatest hits to throw at him. The policies don´t even enter the equation when you´re not having the person who´s leading the party.

 

[kenada_blue]

Absurd renationalising that is common place across Europe but I get that people don´t like that. So what would you have fought this election on considering Johnson was promising spending on public services and getting Brexit done? What could Labour offer that he wasn´t?

Me and my mates, all working class 20 somethings who you would describe as propping up Corbyn. All worked the last 8 years since we left university. The idea that Corbyn only attracted people who have never done a day´s work in their lives is just lazy and a failure to understand why he even got elected as the leader of the Labour Party in the first place.

Unless I'm wrong, I can't name a European country that after decades of privatisation, renationalised its public services at the level that we would have to.

As for what would Labour should've done differently? Be more defiant, more clear, less fence sitting IMO. Read the pulse of what people were wanting.

As for the the propping up Corbyn. That's not a generalised view of younger people, I include the middle aged and older generation who also fit in that mould - leftist head in the cloud thinking

The rise in Corbyns popularity didn't come from the genuine working class voters IMO. He lost that vote even to a bigger extent that they flipped to Tories this election.

If that sounds like a dig, it's not. It's a fact.