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[zzr45]

What exactly has he revealed? I'll confess to not having much time to follow this today, so have only seen him in a press conference waving around the document saying it's proof that the 'NHS is for sale'. Did he go through the document and highlight exactly the bits that supported that point and how they did so?

In a word, no.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

In a word, no.

You'd hope by waving around a 400+ page document, that he'd at least be able to pull out the relevant bits to back up his point. What did the press actually do? Did no one ask him?

 

[Jebus_lives]

No one is suggesting breaking up the NHS. Just like WASPI £58Bn proposal pulled out of thin air when the polls were not looking good, this was brought out after Corbyn’s car crash. My guess is that they were going to bring this out and try it on a day or two before the election. Another ‘24 hours to save the nhs’ piece of nonsense, but were panicked into releasing it too early, and it will now be picked to pieces.

The USA would like to sell the U.K. more pharmaceutical products than they do now and at better prices, just as I’m sure the U.K. will want to do similar in the USA. Just like the EU sell to us today. It has nothing to do with GP surgeries, Hospitals or the management of the NHS. Nothing is being sold off and this is an outright lie by Labour.....

The rhetoric about the NHS 'up for sale' is hyperbole, but stop acting like this is good news for the UK voter, it isn't.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The rhetoric about the NHS 'up for sale' is hyperbole, but stop acting like this is good news for the UK voter, it isn't.

Do we know yet precisely what things Corbyn was alluding to?

 

[zzr45]

You'd hope by waving around a 400+ page document, that he'd at least be able to pull out the relevant bits to back up his point. What did the press actually do? Did no one ask him?

There was no questions about where the smoking guns were, indeed the journalist from C4 asked if really, isn’t it just a case that what’s been outlined is just the US’s wish list ahead of negotiations.

It feels very ‘Labour’ - promising opportunity to raise some valid points has been lost by the utter half cocked, hapdash approach.

 

[peteblue]

The rhetoric about the NHS 'up for sale' is hyperbole, but stop acting like this is good news for the UK voter, it isn't.

I haven’t said if it’s good or bad news as there is nothing agreed one way or the other. However it is nice for you to admit that the NHS is not ‘up for sale’.....

 

[Jebus_lives]

Do we know yet precisely what things Corbyn was alluding to?

Mostly in 3 areas:

• Americans don't want food warning labels.
• US want to sell us their chlorine-washed chicken. And are gearing up PR to that effect.
• US pushing for longer drug patents. Also want to clarify UK position on Patent Courts.

Pictures seem to be the main contentious points. It mostly, in my view amounts to a negotiation position that the US is pushing which is at odds with the EU in places...the problem as I see it, is that Johnson will be desperate to sign a trade deal with the US and from a weakened position. He will give them whatever they want.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I haven’t said if it’s good or bad news as there is nothing agreed one way or the other. However it is nice for you to admit that the NHS is not ‘up for sale’.....

The 'NHS not up for sale' does not mean that it won't get shafted by a UK/US trade deal and you'd realise that if you departed for one moment from parroting lines given to you by Guido Fawkes and the Telegraph.

I presume your council about the threat of walking away from negotiations being the best way to negotiate, will extend to your reasoning in the UK pursuit of a trade deal with the US? If the NHS is on the table in a Trade Deal with the US, should you UK walk away?

 

[peteblue]

Mostly in 3 areas:

• Americans don't want food warning labels.
• US want to sell us their chlorine-washed chicken. And are gearing up PR to that effect.
• US pushing for longer drug patents. Also want to clarify UK position on Patent Courts.

Pictures seem to be the main contentious points. It mostly, in my view amounts to a negotiation position that the US is pushing which is at odds with the EU in places...the problem as I see it, is that Johnson will be desperate to sign a trade deal with the US and from a weakened position. He will give them whatever they want.

So absolutely nothing about the NHS up for sale...food labelling, chickens, and drug patents...none of which have been agreed, just a USA negotiating position document. And this is what Corbyn believes should swing the election.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Mostly in 3 areas:

• Americans don't want food warning labels.
• US want to sell us their chlorine-washed chicken. And are gearing up PR to that effect.
• US pushing for longer drug patents. Also want to clarify UK position on Patent Courts.

Pictures seem to be the main contentious points. It mostly, in my view amounts to a negotiation position that the US is pushing which is at odds with the EU in places...the problem as I see it, is that Johnson will be desperate to sign a trade deal with the US and from a weakened position. He will give them whatever they want.

The patent situation is undoubtedly crappy, but that was an accusation tabled weeks ago so I kinda assumed given the song and dance that Corbyn had some more information about how the NHS was 'being sold'. Paying more for drugs, whilst bad, is really nothing like privatisation of the NHS.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

There was no questions about where the smoking guns were, indeed the journalist from C4 asked if really, isn’t it just a case that what’s been outlined is just the US’s wish list ahead of negotiations.

It feels very ‘Labour’ - promising opportunity to raise some valid points has been lost by the utter half cocked, hapdash approach.

What on earth was the point of the whole charade then? There was a picture of staff in scrubs in the front row ffs. Deeply troubling that they're being politicised like this.

 

[Jebus_lives]

The patent situation is undoubtedly crappy, but that was an accusation tabled weeks ago so I kinda assumed given the song and dance that Corbyn had some more information about how the NHS was 'being sold'. Paying more for drugs, whilst bad, is really nothing like privatisation of the NHS.

I haven't seen them either btw, just what I've gleamed from others commenting. So please don't assume that what I have posted is detailed.

 

[peteblue]

The 'NHS not up for sale' does not mean that it won't get shafted by a UK/US trade deal and you'd realise that if you departed for one moment from parroting lines given to you by Guido Fawkes and the Telegraph.

I presume your council about the threat of walking away from negotiations being the best way to negotiate, will extend to your reasoning in the UK pursuit of a trade deal with the US? If the NHS is on the table in a Trade Deal with the US, should you UK walk away?

Trade deals are not put in place to shaft one party or the other, otherwise why would anyone sign up. One side may gain more than the other (as is currently happening with EU trade to the U.K.), but both sides have to gain something otherwise it’s pointless.....and yes if the NHS was put on the table, I would walk away......

 

[Jebus_lives]

So absolutely nothing about the NHS up for sale...food labelling, chickens, and drug patents...none of which have been agreed, just a USA negotiating position document. And this is what Corbyn believes should swing the election.....

Not in precise wording no. It's almost as though politicians use rhetoric and hyperbole for effect.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Trade deals are not put in place to shaft one party or the other, otherwise why would anyone sign up. One side may gain more than the other (as is currently happening with EU trade to the U.K.), but both sides have to gain something otherwise it’s pointless.....and yes if the NHS was put on the table, I would walk away......

Do you think Johnson can?