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[abelard]

That's a joke, right? (I admit to not reading the entire article so hopefully it's satirical).

Twenty-year-olds are going to do what they have always done.

At least under Corbyn, they actually bother registering to vote - which is thus far the only thing, btw, saving you and I from a Hard or No Deal Brexit.

As the article notes, Labour's new economic vision, likewise enabled solely by Corbyn's victory, is the only prayer we have of winning back people who are not wrong to distrust us.

The notion that Labour can instantly solve everything by doubling down on the magic bullet of its 'moderate' recent past by just running people like this again:

His successor in 2005 was Natascha Engel: privately-schooled in Kent and a New Labour parachute drop into the Midlands. After losing her seat in 2017, she worked first for shale-gas firm Ineos (which plans to drill in the area) then became Theresa May’s fracking tsar

is at least a thousand times more utopian and naive than anything the left has ever come up with.

So far this assumption has lost Scotland forever, and much of the midlands and the North.

But sure, let's spend another five years sending aspiring McKinnsey consultants to Bolsover to tell everyone how excited they are to be forcing everyone to once again do more with less **only woke!!!** - and let's learn all over again how that works out.

To be fair, the advantage with that approach is that we can all just console ourselves in the knowledge that "everyday people are cretins" without actually having to try to solve any of the country's problems.

More seriously though, while Corbyn is a very flawed vehicle of the only possible way for Labour to ever win real power again... the reforms he has enabled remain the only possible way for Labour to ever win real power again.

 

[peteblue]

Seriously though, I fear for the future of the Labour Party.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Amazingly, it isn't.

*cringe

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Twenty-year-olds are going to do what they have always done.

At least under Corbyn, they actually bother registering to vote - which is thus far the only thing, btw, saving you and I from a Hard or No Deal Brexit.

As the article notes, Labour's new economic vision, likewise enabled solely by Corbyn's victory, is the only prayer we have of winning back people who are not wrong to distrust us.

The notion that Labour can instantly solve everything by doubling down on the magic bullet of its 'moderate' recent past by just running people like this again:



is at least a thousand times more utopian and naive than anything the left has ever come up with.

So far this assumption has lost Scotland forever, and much of the midlands and the North.

But sure, let's spend another five years sending aspiring McKinnsey consultants to Bolsover to tell everyone how excited they are to be forcing everyone to once again do more with less **only woke!!!** - and let's learn all over again how that works out.

To be fair, the advantage with that approach is that we can all just console ourselves in the knowledge that "everyday people are cretins" without actually having to try to solve any of the country's problems.

More seriously though, while Corbyn is a very flawed vehicle of the only possible way for Labour to ever win real power again... the reforms he has enabled remain the only possible way for Labour to ever win real power again.

I only asked about the song

 

[davek]

Seriously though, I fear for the future of the Labour Party.....

Ha Ha Ha.

I sense your fear for your Tory lead over the next couple of weeks.

 

[davids]

Well I’d rather spend an hour in the pub with Boris than those other two lying barstewards......

Honest Boris,now that's some idea.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Seriously though, I fear for the future of the Labour Party.....

I'm not more than happy to pay some more tax for a fairer society.

 

[davek]

This apartheid supporting Palestinian hating rabbi flapping his gums again.

Go and correct your own sins.

 

[davek]

The Muslim Council of GB condemns the rampant Islamaphobia in the Conservative Party...but receives hardly any coverage...which speaks volumes not only of the control of the media by the right, but how little British Muslims are thought of.

Anyway, no one will give a flying one what these religious freaks say when they vote. Let them spew their garbage.

 

[dannyboy]

Next Labour leader needs to be a moderate like Keir Starmer. He'll walk all over the feckless Johnson.The only problem is the state of the country five years hence

In much the same way Clinton walked over Trump? It´s not as simple as being a ´moderate´. You´ve got to sell a story to the people. If politics was about capturing the centre ground, the Lib Dems would be on course to wipe out Labour.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

This apartheid supporting Palestinian hating rabbi flapping his gums again.

Go and correct your own sins.

Was not going to comment on it, following the listners of 5live, BBC tried to get someone to phone in but noone as yet. Been listening since 8.30... Rabbi Rabbi Mirvis his other job is working for Israeli Foriegn Ministry.

https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/AboutTheMinistry/Conferences-Seminars/GFCA2013/GFCA_2018/Pages/Rabbi-Ephraim-Mirvis.aspx

 

[davek]

In much the same way Clinton walked over Trump? It´s not as simple as being a ´moderate´. You´ve got to sell a story to the people. If politics was about capturing the centre ground, the Lib Dems would be on course to wipe out Labour.

Imagine having some tit like Starmer...the Miliband years revisited.

It's been trued and it's failed.

Starmer isn't even yesterday's man, he's New Labour and they're gone forever.

It'll be a won a the new leader whenever that comes. Long-Bailey would be a good choice, IMO.

 

[davek]

Was not going to comment on it, following the listners of 5live, BBC tried to get someone to phone in but noone as yet. Been listening since 8.30... Rabbi Rabbi Mirvis his other job is working for Israeli Foriegn Ministry.

https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/AboutTheMinistry/Conferences-Seminars/GFCA2013/GFCA_2018/Pages/Rabbi-Ephraim-Mirvis.aspx

How anyone takes notice to these freaks is beyond me.

The Jewish religious hierarchy have quite clearly been weaponised in this election campaign and the preceding 3 years.

They dont even speak for their own community.

 

[dannyboy]

Imagine having some tit like Starmer...the Miliband years revisited.

It's been trued and it's failed.

Starmer isn't even yesterday's man, he's New Labour and they're gone forever.

It'll be a won a the new leader whenever that comes. Long-Bailey would be a good choice, IMO.

People deluding themselves into thinking that the media won´t attack Starmer in the exact same way.

This country has moved so far to the right over the past 40 years it needs the Labour Party to provide left wing ideas to drag the debate back to the centre.

 

[davek]

People deluding themselves into thinking that the media won´t attack Starmer in the exact same way.

This country has moved so far to the right over the past 40 years it needs the Labour Party to provide left wing ideas to drag the debate back to the centre.

Corbyn needs to be replaced by a Corbynista. In fact, he can only be replaced by one. The numbers in the membership aren't there for a stuffed shirted neo-Blairite like Starmer.

Long-Bailey
Rayner

I wouldn't look beyond those two women for the next leader. Odds on one will be.