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[nsno-chris]

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[tsubaki]

Shaky ground planning your retirement based upon the state pension, but the reality is that it would never change in that case as there would always be people in this situation.

There wouldn't, if the state told people born in a particular year when their pension would be due.

 

[Brennan]

Always strikes me as funny that so many other countries find a way to fund their young people through university. They also have a lot less inequality than us. I'm sure the two aren't linked though.

It’s easy to randomly quote “other countries” doing something to justify a political policy.

Many of those countries will not have a comparable free to all healthcare system to that which we have in the UK. Would you therefore start privatising parts of our healthcare system ?

 

[Brennan]

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It’s not even limited to the type of degree necessarily.

Plenty of people do more “traditional” degree courses but won’t end up following that study through into employment. I can’t understand the argument that the whole population should be funding this.

 

[orchard]

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So pretty much the art's, non-vocational degrees and the discipline that established universities and most disciplines in the first place?
Your stance seems to be anti-academic and pro-polytechnic.

 

[dannyboy]

It’s easy to randomly quote “other countries” doing something to justify a political policy.

Many of those countries will not have a comparable free to all healthcare system to that which we have in the UK. Would you therefore start privatising parts of our healthcare system ?

You know that´s already happening. I appreciate your attitude of "How does it benefit of me?" is one that is growing within our society and unfortunately (at least from my perspective) this will begin to apply to the NHS over the next 20 years or so. That is doubtlessly the end goal of the architects of the £50,000 student debt.

 

[orchard]

It’s not even limited to the type of degree necessarily.

Plenty of people do more “traditional” degree courses but won’t end up following that study through into employment. I can’t understand the argument that the whole population should be funding this.

It's the other way around at the moment, with academic disciplines funding those that wish to study for vocational betterment.

 

[tsubaki]

It’s not even limited to the type of degree necessarily.

Plenty of people do more “traditional” degree courses but won’t end up following that study through into employment. I can’t understand the argument that the whole population should be funding this.

The whole population is funding this, though. Indeed the rise of "joke degrees" is a direct result of taxpayer-backed money being available for those things to be taught as undergraduate degrees in ways that they never would have been thirty years ago.

 

[peteblue]

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It’s not even limited to the type of degree necessarily.

Plenty of people do more “traditional” degree courses but won’t end up following that study through into employment. I can’t understand the argument that the whole population should be funding this.

Non-mainstream degrees add to the rich tapestry of society, it provides people who think differently. My own kids did Chemistry and Biochemistry, Business Studies, History and Sociology, and Fine Art. Do they contribute to society, of course, but in differing ways. The one who did Chemistry joined a high tech company, the one with business studies produces electronic games, the one with History was a director within the high tech training environment and now produces original digital artwork, and the one with fine art did just that, produces artwork and has an art gallery. All four are different and bring a different perspective to any conversation.

Traditional degree courses merely give a person a knowledge base and perhaps a thinking style, challenging or not, that can move around the workplace. I did engineering and management degrees which while fitting the type of industries I worked in nonetheless were never ‘fully utilised’ because not all of the content is required in the actual workplace.

However, I would fully support the introduction of free higher education as I believe it to be wrong to saddle young people with debt. My own children were lucky to have everything immediately paid off by my myself, but not everyone is able to do so and I believe that as they will contribute in later life they should not be additionally burdened at an early stage. My lad with the Fine Art degree would probably have ended up working in Tesco’s if he’d had to pay back loans. It’s not fair to households on lower income and it’s not to the benefit of either the country or the individual...the U.K. can afford this and we should pay for it....

 

[tsubaki]

Non-mainstream degrees add to the rich tapestry of society, it provides people who think differently. My own kids did Chemistry and Biochemistry, Business Studies, History and Sociology, and Fine Art. Do they contribute to society, of course, but in differing ways. The one who did Chemistry joined a high tech company, the one with business studies produces electronic games, the one with History was a director within the high tech training environment and now produces original digital artwork, and the one with fine art did just that, produces artwork and has an art gallery. All four are different and bring a different perspective to any conversation.

Traditional degree courses merely give a person a knowledge base and perhaps a thinking style, challenging or not, that can move around the workplace. I did engineering and management degrees which while fitting the type of industries I worked in nonetheless were never ‘fully utilised’ because not all of the content is required in the actual workplace.

However, I would fully support the introduction of free higher education as I believe it to be wrong to saddle young people with debt. My own children were lucky to have everything immediately paid off by my myself, but not everyone is able to do so and I believe that as they will contribute in later life they should not be additionally burdened at an early stage. My lad with the Fine Art degree would probably have ended up working in Tesco’s if he’d had to pay back loans. It’s not fair to households on lower income and it’s not to the benefit of either the country or the individual...the U.K. can afford this and we should pay for it....

"borrowing" pete's account like this is not on, dave

 

[nsno-chris]

So pretty much the art's, non-vocational degrees and the discipline that established universities and most disciplines in the first place?
Your stance seems to be anti-academic and pro-polytechnic.

Pointless degrees with people bitching that they then can’t find a job and it’s the worlds fault, all because they decided to spend £30k and 3 years of their life learning nothing of relevance

 

[davek]

"borrowing" pete's account like this is not on, dave

Ha Ha.

I was nodding away there, then realised I'd written it.

 

[peteblue]

Ha Ha.

I was nodding away there, then realised I'd written it.

Erm.....

 

[davek]

Erm.....

...sorry pete, you can have your account back now to propound your ultra-conservatism.

 

[peteblue]

...sorry pete, you can have your account back now to propound your ultra-conservatism.

No probs mate, everyone knows you and I are the same person anyway......