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To Corbyn/Momentum supporters, my simple question is this.

Is it worth rigidly sticking to ideology if the net result is that you act as enablers for the Tories to stay in power?

Is that a price worth paying for "sticking to your guns"?

Corbyn and the Labour Party this day and age just preach to the already converted, unfortunately that doesn't win a GE.
 
It's actually more about choosing some policies and convincing the public you'd be responsible enough to not do all the policies.

"NATIONALISE EVERYTHING!" is met with a roll of the eyes by most you see.

Do you mind pointing me to any speech or manifesto promise in which states that a Labour government will "nationalise everything" please?
 
As was posted earlier, the non-right majority in the UK favour centre left policies that encourage investment while protecting social justice and workers' rights, pay and conditions.

The far left message frightens these voters and will also drive away investors.

Brexit exarcebates this situation and the people and employers now really need assurances that there will not be a radical ideologically driven agenda that is bound to fail.
 

Thanks for responding.

I've already read this article, and I'll think you'll find that it predates the Labour Party's 2017 manifesto.

Here's the Guardian's report on Labour's spending pledges:

 
Thanks for responding.

I've already read this article, and I'll think you'll find that it predates the Labour Party's 2017 manifesto.

Here's the Guardian's report on Labour's spending pledges:


Ah that makes it fine then... :Blink:
 
Ah that makes it fine then... :Blink:

Sorry, but I don't understand your point.

I don't see our next manifesto being fundamentally different from the last, and that's the document that we present to the electorate when vying for their vote in a general election - and I'm struggling to find the bit in which Labour promise to nationalise everything or spend £500bn.
 
Do you mind sharing some "far left" messages that the Labour Party have presented over the past 3 years please?

Right-to-buy private landlord properties:

Companies forced into giving 10% of shares to employees: https://www.ft.com/content/4cad1c50-bf59-11e8-8d55-54197280d3f7

£200bn starting point for nationalisation: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50036463

The aforementioned £500bn "investment bank": https://www.theguardian.com/politic...up-national-investment-bank-to-mobilise-500bn

Just from top of my head. All gives the impression of reckless ideological spending over fiscal prudence, with the hope the economy pays for it or they can milk the rich dry for it.

To add, as I said, some of these would be fine - costed and presented well; but all of them is the problem.
 
Right-to-buy private landlord properties:

First of all, thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions.

I think it's important to note that the source you have provided here is by an organisation that represents landlords - as the name implies. I'm 26 years old, and earn around £1,200 a month as a (wholly NHS-funded) researcher at a University. My rent currently stands at £650 for a one bedroom flat with no heating and single-glazed windows.

I have absolutely no power to change this. I can't move out because I was effectively forced to sign a 24 month contract with the landlord when renewing, so if I want to move out I have to pay the landlord the remaining 8 months lease - which amounts to £5,200.

Simply put, I cannot afford that.

This is a common occurence with people my age, and is probably one of the main reasons as to why you are seeing so many 18-35 year olds look favorably at Labour's policies concerning renters rights.

As for the post you've linked, I think that everyone has the right to live in a home - and not have to worry about imminent rent increases or whether a landlord sees fit for them to leave. I don't believe that's a far left belief, but I am willing to hear your reasoning behind why you believe it to be.

Companies forced into giving 10% of shares to employees: https://www.ft.com/content/4cad1c50-bf59-11e8-8d55-54197280d3f7

I think it's well in within the remit of the Labour Party, whose founding goal was to minimise the distance between the workers' labour and the resulting capital, to reform the foundations in which our economy operates.

At the end of the day, we need to see some form of solution to, at the very minimum, reduce the scurge of economic inequality and deal with an emerging climate catastrophe.

£200bn starting point for nationalisation: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50036463

Do you know if the CBI have released a breakdown of their estimates?


Just to clarify a couple points here:

This is basically a British implementation of the KfW Mittelstand in which it will be wholly funded through a bond issuance programme.

I'm trying to find the exact document, but if my memory serves me correctly (although I am willing to say that I may be wrong here) - but it's effectively a straight up direct cost of £20bn - and then yearly bond issues over 10 years - amounting to £250bn in total.

Just from top of my head. All gives the impression of reckless ideological spending over fiscal prudence, with the hope the economy pays for it or they can milk the rich dry for it.
 
This is a common occurence with people my age, and is probably one of the main reasons as to why you are seeing so many 18-35 year olds look favorably at Labour's policies concerning renters rights.

I'm in this band and to be fair I don't know anyone forced to sign up for a two-year locked in rental
 
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