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The problem with labour is they haven't learned to play the game, you need someone, that has appeal to the floating voter , without them we have no chance of power Miliband, Corbyn haven't got it no matter what you think of them as people or leader's.
Look at the Tories they are a mess and there record is a joke even going back to Cameron, but they had the sense to not put Mogg ect up for leader even if lots of its supporters and MPs would like him they know the voters that aren't tribal will not vote for them.
Should get a nice pleasant guy/ girl who is media savvy and let them front it, win the election then do whatever they feel they need to do, as much as I like the idea of taking back the rail , water ect and quite a few other things this labour party has had the guts.to put out there, it's all pipe dream unless they can gain power.
I know that sounds shallow but it's just a fact these days.
 
Number_25 said:
Didn't the Labour Party literally just win Canterbury, a seat that we've never won, just last year? I think if you look up and down the country, Labour have increased their vote-share massively in areas that we wouldn't of dared to take post-1997.
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Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that there isn't anyone voting for them and yes they may actually get a few seats that are unexpected. I've also said that they may win the next election so they would have to win more blue constituencies. However I don't see it as a lasting sea-change that everybody sees themselves as socialists. There are reasons why voters have been doing weird and wonderful things recently as you have touched on in the previous posts. But it shifts and when you are in goverment it is easier to knock you down. For that reason I would expect Labour to be actually better than they are at the moment.

I don't see this current Labour setup as revolutionary but it doesn't appeal to me, despite the fact I agree with some of his policies.
 
The binman chronicles said:
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that there isn't anyone voting for them and yes they may actually get a few seats that are unexpected. I've also said that they may win the next election so they would have to win more blue constituencies. However I don't see it as a lasting sea-change that everybody sees themselves as socialists. There are reasons why voters have been doing weird and wonderful things recently as you have touched on in the previous posts. But it shifts and when you are in goverment it is easier to knock you down. For that reason I would expect Labour to be actually better than they are at the moment.

I don't see this current Labour setup as revolutionary but it doesn't appeal to me, despite the fact I agree with some of his policies.
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Which ones?
 
Number_25 said:
Which ones?
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A good chunk of it, but the costs do not add up and in that sense I stop believing it to be a legitimate manifesto.

For instance I would not be against privatisation of utilities and transport if they were run to make a small profit for the government that can then be used on services or ease the tax burden. However we know that if this were the case they would be striking every other week safe in the knowledge that Jeremy says it's their god given right to do so. Then instead of a profit being made it would run at a loss.

You have policies that everyone would think that would be good, like the extension of free child care but since they upped the free hours for 3 year olds there have been a load of nurseries that have had to close down as what the government pays them for the time is no where near what they charge parents. So if you extend that they will all go bust or they will have to pay more for it and that would add a huge amount onto the budget to find.

There are only a few things I flatly disagree on, such as the increase on top tax bracket as I think it will do the exact opposite to what they are trying to do and I don't like the power they want to hand to trade unions as it drives down productivity, increases costs and ultimately moves jobs away to different markets who won't strike and work for cheaper rates.
 
Number_25 said:
Didn't the Labour Party literally just win Canterbury, a seat that we've never won, just last year? I think if you look up and down the country, Labour have increased their vote-share massively in areas that we wouldn't of dared to take post-1997.



I get your point, but the simple statistical fact of the matter is that less than 70% of eligible voters actually vote. I'd much rather spend the time, money, and effort in trying to convince these people that a Labour vote is a vote well spent.



Again, I understand the premise of your argument - but you've conflated the Labour Party for some revolutionary socialist entity. As for the nation seeing "more conservative governments than Labour", that's a matter of fact - but it's also a matter of fact that Labour have always had to work against media to get its messaging out. With a mass membership, we're now capable of knocking enough doors and convincing people face-to-face that we mean what we say, and we say what we mean.
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I've got a labour mp, and I guarantee he won't be knocking on the door until it becomes worth it for him (before an election), after which I won't hear from him for another five years. Should being doorstepped impress us?
 
peteblue said:
I am. But I lived through the years when the unions used to stuff the room with ‘activists’.....
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They never went away, they are now called 'lobbyists' and do the bidding of who happens to pay the most, normally large global corporate entities...

Bruce Wayne said:
I've got a labour mp, and I guarantee he won't be knocking on the door until it becomes worth it for him (before an election), after which I won't hear from him for another five years. Should being doorstepped impress us?
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Hopefully one member one vote will concentrate his mind. Meanwhile the Labour leader, Corbyn literally is up and down the country putting the message on policy out to everyone who cares to listen, incidentally it's rather a lot, hence the need to play the man rather than popular policy.
 
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zzr45 said:
https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/vote-no-confidence-passed-against-1982730

80% of 30 people. Democracy in action or horrible little bully boys trying to look important. You decide.
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That quote from the article:

“It’s all about democracy. The MP should reflect the views of the party and the local membership."

Is a complete joke. Isn't this why we can't have a 2nd EU referendum because the people have already decided, yet here when the people decided they wanted him as their MP, the public are obviously wrong! It is natural to have dissenters in your party and is even healthy. Did Blair try to throw out Tony Benn or even Corbyn himself?

This rubs me up the wrong big time, instead of a collection of ideas it has to be all fall behind the leader, so the purges start. Hmmm let me think to the past the sort of person that feels the need to do this.... :eek:
 
The binman chronicles said:
Is a complete joke the people decided they wanted him as their MP, the public are obviously wrong! It is natural to have dissenters in your party and is even healthy. Did Blair try to throw out Tony Benn or even Corbyn himself?

This rubs me up the wrong big time, instead of a collection of ideas it has to be all fall behind the leader, so the purges start. Hmmm let me think to the past the sort of person that feels the need to do this
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Blair had no mechanism to kick them out neither does/will Corbyn, but Blair did put them in the naughty corner. Indeed Local party can pull support, however, this can be appealed at National executive. All rather mellow dramatic and Chukkaist for Saturday morning, nothing wrong in Labour MPs being democratically voted between elections. After all they are there to represent all the electorate, and the electorate ultimately decides, right?

I can’t fathom without concluding those directly opposed are just purely concerned about themselves, stand up and embrace democracy and we the electorate can join Labour then all our have say. All this hysteria goes away, with one member one vote at the conference, then all sitting labours MPs are voted by local labour members, every five years very healthy and democratic, dont you think?
 
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