John Smith was supportive of the CLPD.
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John Smith was supportive of the CLPD.
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
No idea what that is. As a floater though, he would have got my vote.
The Campaign for Labour Party Democracy.
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
So he would have stuffed folk that agreed with him in as candidates? And deselected those who didnt?
He would have allowed Labour Party members to elect their Constituency Labour Party representative for any election that Constituency Labour Party ran in, yes.
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
Well I dont agree with that. For any party. An MP represents their constituency.
So how should prospective Labour Party candidates be selected?
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
By the local party. I know all parties parachute bodies in at times, but I strongly believe in local parties having a big say in who their candidate should be.
So why don't you agree with the overarching goals of the CLPD?
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That is the essence of what people want to do.
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
Because I had never heard of it until 5 minutes ago.
But 5 minutes ago you where vehemently opposed to the idea of Labour Party members selecting their local Labour Party representatives.
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
No, thats exactly what I want them to do. Labour, (or any party) selecting their local candidates.
I am not a fan of a central cabal selecting every candidate over the local party,
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I'm still not buying into the whole shifting to the left. That might be the case in hard-core Labour areas, but it won't work for others. To be honest when we are talking about the general floaters liking someone with charisma be it natural like Bill or PR driven with Tony, the most important part of it has to be a balance that they won't do anything too silly and they are strong enough that they won't have to act on the whim of the extremists. I would be just as worried if not more if Rees-mogg got together with Fox and Redwood to make a mirror image of Labour's leadership to run the Tories.
I can take a bit of one sided policies but I don't want it to be non-stop. I think it is more the party themselves that decided that the moderates have had enough years driving one way and now they want to go the opposite - bit of the teenager syndrome of acting out. Of course that appeals to the grassroots support as they are desperate to find something that may work for them, so everyone is convinced that they are on the correct path. Hate to say it won't work, this country has had more conservative governments than Labour (esp. seeing most Labour supporters on here don't even count the Blair/Brown years as even being Labour), so what makes anyone think that in today's world where socialism is just not as big as it was in the 40 or so post war years that those policies are going to deliver multiple election wins?
If I look into my crystal ball, if the Tories don't get their house in order and due to brexit and perhaps a bad choice of their next leader, Labour might just win the election. But they will then be in a rush to implement all their policies and they would have been handed a hospital pass with the economy. Before anything good they do has the chance to bed down things like deficit and increased borrowing and national debt and future generations being saddled like Greece will come ever more to the front and as a knock on effect the Tories will be in power 5 years later, for a run of 2/3/4 terms that will undo anything Labour had done.
I can take a bit of one sided policies but I don't want it to be non-stop. I think it is more the party themselves that decided that the moderates have had enough years driving one way and now they want to go the opposite - bit of the teenager syndrome of acting out. Of course that appeals to the grassroots support as they are desperate to find something that may work for them, so everyone is convinced that they are on the correct path. Hate to say it won't work, this country has had more conservative governments than Labour (esp. seeing most Labour supporters on here don't even count the Blair/Brown years as even being Labour), so what makes anyone think that in today's world where socialism is just not as big as it was in the 40 or so post war years that those policies are going to deliver multiple election wins?
If I look into my crystal ball, if the Tories don't get their house in order and due to brexit and perhaps a bad choice of their next leader, Labour might just win the election. But they will then be in a rush to implement all their policies and they would have been handed a hospital pass with the economy. Before anything good they do has the chance to bed down things like deficit and increased borrowing and national debt and future generations being saddled like Greece will come ever more to the front and as a knock on effect the Tories will be in power 5 years later, for a run of 2/3/4 terms that will undo anything Labour had done.
Didn't the Labour Party literally just win Canterbury, a seat that we've never won, just last year? I think if you look up and down the country, Labour have increased their vote-share massively in areas that we wouldn't of dared to take post-1997.
I get your point, but the simple statistical fact of the matter is that less than 70% of eligible voters actually vote. I'd much rather spend the time, money, and effort in trying to convince these people that a Labour vote is a vote well spent.
Again, I understand the premise of your argument - but you've conflated the Labour Party for some revolutionary socialist entity. As for the nation seeing "more conservative governments than Labour", that's a matter of fact - but it's also a matter of fact that Labour have always had to work against media to get its messaging out. With a mass membership, we're now capable of knocking enough doors and convincing people face-to-face that we mean what we say, and we say what we mean.
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