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[peteblue]

Hahaha....I see that 5 unions have proposed to Labour that we should have a second referendum or vote on any deal. Very fair minded of them. I assume they will now put this opinion to the test and ask their members to vote on this proposal......

 

[johnblue23]

The two candidates to become the next Tory PM are so worried about Corbyn at the next election, that they've stolen the Labour party's magic money tree. If the promised economic growth and extra spending, from both, hasn't materialised with 3 months then there should be a general election, as they will have lied to the people.

 

[peteblue]

The two candidates to become the next Tory PM are so worried about Corbyn at the next election, that they've stolen the Labour party's magic money tree. If the promised economic growth and extra spending, from both, hasn't materialised with 3 months then there should be a general election, as they will have lied to the people.

All politicians do this, May, Corbyn, Farage, everyone........

 

[peteblue]

So Corbyn has finally abandoned the northern Labour heartlands and become the party of the inner city, throwing his Brexit voting supporters into the arms of Farage. Sounds like a good plan......

 

[johnblue23]

Not carried by the BBC or the Guardian or any other main stream media outlet. I wonder why?

Chomsky, Finkelstein and over 100 prominent Jewish figures send letter in support of Chris Williamson

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So Corbyn has finally abandoned the northern Labour heartlands and become the party of the inner city, throwing his Brexit voting supporters into the arms of Farage. Sounds like a good plan......

I can't help but think many of the remain supporters he's courting have already jumped ship to the Lib Dems and Greens. He could be left holding the baby at this rate.

 

[johnblue23]

Jewish support for Chris Williamson | Letter | News | The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/jul/08/jewish-support-for-chris-williamson
23 hours ago - We the undersigned, all Jews, are writing in support of Chris ... Such attacks on Jeremy Corbyn's supporters aim to undermine not only the .

That was at 3.00 am. But......

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Tue 9 Jul 2019 13.51 BST



This letter was taken down on 9 July 2019 pending investigation.

I wonder what Jewish people have said that has led to a 'pending investigation' of a letter.

 

[tsubaki]

I didn't compare the two on any of those metrics though, merely that both are hugely popular among party members, but much less popular among the wider Tory/Labour electorate, and very unpopular among swing voters and the rest of the population. With regard to voter intention, we can only go on what we see from polls etc., and practically all of the support Labour has lost has gone to 'remain' alternatives, with the Brexit Party support practically all coming from the Tories. It's hard not to read into that that remain supporting lefties have lost faith in Corbyn.

Perhaps, though the important word there is "remain". If Brexit as a topic goes away - which it is likely to do before the next election - then a lot of the motivation for supporting these parties will go away.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Perhaps, though the important word there is "remain". If Brexit as a topic goes away - which it is likely to do before the next election - then a lot of the motivation for supporting these parties will go away.

I'm on the Swinson train man. *toot toot

 

[catcherintherye]

So Corbyn has finally abandoned the northern Labour heartlands and become the party of the inner city, throwing his Brexit voting supporters into the arms of Farage. Sounds like a good plan......

I'm not sure thats quite true mate. I think the issue is, Corbyn believes in a policy the majority of his party does not. He is not particularly adept at arguing a minority position so is becoming increasingly boxed in by the area.

 

[catcherintherye]

I can't help but think many of the remain supporters he's courting have already jumped ship to the Lib Dems and Greens. He could be left holding the baby at this rate.

The one thing Labour have going for them is that the Lib Dems (particularly Swinson) are shooting themselves in the foot. No apology for austerity. No acknowledgement of the harm done. Not ruling out working with the Tories but ruling out working with Labour etc etc. It will push Labour voters back to Labour without a doubt.

 

[roydo]

I'm not sure thats quite true mate. I think the issue is, Corbyn believes in a policy the majority of his party does not. He is not particularly adept at arguing a minority position so is becoming increasingly boxed in by the area.

Thats his issue in a nutshell; he has never had to argue a minority position, just hold them. All he has ever done is hold a view that no one other than a particular gallery gives a monkeys about.

 

[catcherintherye]

Thats his issue in a nutshell; he has never had to argue a minority position, just hold them. All he has ever done is hold a view that no one other than a particular gallery gives a monkeys about.

No he isn't of the old socially democratic tradition where you articulate a position and essentially believe in centralism. I am almost certain he will not have changed his view on Brexit, but he's out of kilter with his party.

 

[roydo]

No he isn't of the old socially democratic tradition where you articulate a position and essentially believe in centralism. I am almost certain he will not have changed his view on Brexit, but he's out of kilter with his party.

I reckon he would swap all this high office crap to go back to violently agreeing with like minded folk in a town hall meeting.

 

[catcherintherye]

I reckon he would swap all this high office crap to go back to violently agreeing with like minded folk in a town hall meeting.

Without a doubt mate. He is completely ill suited to leading. I remember around 10 years ago speaking to John Mcdonnell, who joked to me that he had stood in the 2008 election as he drew the short straw. Between the lines though, the view was the "left" needed to put up a candidate and Mcdonnell was seen as the most credible, then Abbott. I don't think they even envisaged a world where Corbyn would be asked to run.

The thing is though, Mcdonnell in particular understands centralism and debate. The culture of how you conduct debate and essentially how politics works.

The structural problem Labour now have, is it's quite acute that the members and the PLP don't like one another. There are not MP's to allow for the members to be fairly represented. The PLP will not stand against Corbyn as they will lose. Tactically they have played things really badly (and continue too).