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[davek]

Dave the point is that it (the factional row over who is leader) has nothing to do with the British Jewish community either, yet there are people in Labour right now who have openly blamed them for this. These people, their comments and the culture that allowed them to remain in the party (which long predates Corbyn) have to be dealt with or it just make the anti-Corbyn factions job vastly easier.

It's a matter of scale. A handful of people who cant distinguish between Zionist and Jewish are not enough to make this "an issue".

The whole thing is a media invention pushed for by right wing LP MPs and their think tanks like Progress and propagandists for the Israeli apartheid terror state.

Dont indulge them.

 

[JordanGT4]

Dismissing this whole thing as a “media invention pushed for by propagandists for the state of Israel” is outright insulting to the legitimate anti-Semitic abuse some Jewish people and MPs have suffered within the Labour Party. It’s absolutely disgusting that some people just want to pretend that nothing is going on.

It is perfectly reasonable to criticise the state of Israel whilst also condemning and wanting to eradicate anti-semitism from the Labour Party. Calling it a media invention is vile

 

[Number_25]

Dismissing this whole thing as a “media invention pushed for by propagandists for the state of Israel” is outright insulting to the legitimate anti-Semitic abuse some Jewish people and MPs have suffered within the Labour Party. It’s absolutely disgusting that some people just want to pretend that nothing is going on.

It is perfectly reasonable to criticise the state of Israel whilst also condemning and wanting to eradicate anti-semitism from the Labour Party. Calling it a media invention is vile

Can you please point to any data that suggests that the Labour Party has an institutional issue with anti-Semitism?

 

[JordanGT4]

Can you please point to any data that suggests that the Labour Party has an institutional issue with anti-Semitism?

I know it’s the spectator which isn’t great but here’s a list of 50 examples (quick search with a bunch of organised examples):
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/labours-pockets-of-anti-semitism-the-evidence/

I’ve also seen on twitter myself some of the abuse luciana Berger has received in the past.

I’m not saying the Labour Party is any worse than any another political party or organisation, I couldn’t say that because quite frankly I don’t know. what I am saying is we should try and eradicate it from our party wherever it does exist, not forget about it and pretend it’s a media invention like is suggested above.

There’s over 70 cases of anti-semitism currently being investigated within the party, and over 200 more complaints. If we are a party opposed to this sort of abuse, which we are, we need to support and encourage this process, not label it as some sort of “Israeli state conspiracy”

 

[edge]

well we have the biggest thing in most of are life times going on Brexit, a decade of austerity behind us, the tory party in open revolt , led by a half wit , and still the Labour party are staring at there navel, seems to be on the verge of splitting into right and left camps and possibly two parties in the near future.
they are in danger of becoming as big of a joke as the Tories and they are the only ones laughing in the long run, they will change leader and wipe the floor with this lot, I honestly think Boris the ballbag would win an election if he ends up leader its that bad.
They need to stop this bollocks and change its focus on to being an electable party .

 

[Jib in lad]

 

[davek]

Absolutley made up this unfunny divvy was slung off the NEC last night....and beaten by a man Momentum weren't even backing. How 'kin bad do you have to be to fail under those circumstances?

Lol.

 

[zzr45]

Absolutley made up this unfunny divvy was slung off the NEC last night....and beaten by a man Momentum weren't even backing. How 'kin bad do you have to be to fail under those circumstances?

Lol.

Hopefully it means he’s nowhere near any political type shows in the near future. Actually the opposite of funny.

 

[Connor]

Come on lads, you're going to need to smear more.

 

[davek]

Come on lads, you're going to need to smear more.

Labour are finshed...Corbyn's a disaster...better send forn Keir Starmer...blah blah blah

 

[peteblue]

Labour are finshed...Corbyn's a disaster...better send forn Keir Starmer...blah blah blah

I cannot abide that Keir Starmer, I would actually vote for Corbyn before that empty vessel.......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Absolutley made up this unfunny divvy was slung off the NEC last night....and beaten by a man Momentum weren't even backing. How 'kin bad do you have to be to fail under those circumstances?

Lol.

I know, I remember a bloke who failed to beat the MayBot in a general election the other year.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Come on lads, you're going to need to smear more.

So what that's saying is that the Tories have lost voters to UKIP, right? Looking at that graph, the only real trend is that things have fluctuated significantly, but especially for Labour. The Tories have a range of 4% throughout that timeframe, but Labour have a swing of 7% between peak and trough. So he's the messiah now, but presumably was a chump a few months ago when the Tories were ahead? Cmon now, lets not cherry pick statistics.

 

[Connor]

So what that's saying is that the Tories have lost voters to UKIP, right? Looking at that graph, the only real trend is that things have fluctuated significantly, but especially for Labour. The Tories have a range of 4% throughout that timeframe, but Labour have a swing of 7% between peak and trough. So he's the messiah now, but presumably was a chump a few months ago when the Tories were ahead? Cmon now, lets not cherry pick statistics.

He’s neither the messiah, nor a chump. Just a leader that folks can get behind.

Now this poll has UKIP weighting which as we‘ve seen last time out was vital to factor in because the vote went all over the place and caused headaches for both sides.

This isn’t cherry picking either. It’s just showing that in the polling, for everything that has happened in the past few months, labour aren’t dead. Labour haven’t been ‘rocked’ by scandal. Still polling well in a number of models despite all the negative coverage.

Despite being an outlier, Survation was pretty darn close to calling the last election.

 

[Brendan Janus]

The Labour Party need to work until they are musclebound !