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Bruce Wayne said:
Sure, I wouldn't ever suggest it's a silver bullet, and there are well known issues with people who are stressed or time poor making poor choices and so on, just as I suspect programs like these aren't available throughout the country. I just thought it was an interesting project, just as various programs that invest extra resources in the heaviest users of various services, be they job centres or healthcare, have shown equally promising results. You would hope whoever assesses these schemes does have the wisdom to assess just how much local factors play in any results that do occur, but I'm not entirely convinced that policy is as evidence-based as it should be at the best of times, so don't suppose it is.
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Maybe late school would have been best, integrating it with other subjects if needs be.
 
Brennan said:
Its really not at all.

You’re implying something totally different.

I’m not saying that somebody who works more hours can never earn more than somebody working less hours in a more highly skilled job.

I am saying that arbitrarily increasing the minimum wage, without really caring of the impact on the economy or workers, in order to win votes is wrong.

Not even close to the same thing..

Some of the actions taken by the Tory government have been unforgivable, which is why I’m so disappointed to see Corbyn resorting to this tactic of vote grabbing by forcing private enterprises to pay wages they may not be able to.

These wage increases don’t just impact huge corporations, they can send small businesses into bankruptcy or force them to make staff redundant.
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Arbitrary wage increase so to move more working people off benefit system, the more working people off tax credits housing benefit is good in my book.

The more people who financially independent the better for them, they can make their own choices, reckon this frightens many who say they are centre ground, scary thought people being independent and not hanging on for the handouts.

These businesses want low tax, low business rates, and low wages. While at the same time bourgeois are the net beneficiaries of inequality.

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NilSatisOptimum said:
Arbitrary wage increase so to move more working people off benefit system, the more working people off tax credits housing benefit is good in my book.
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Depends doesn't it. If you get blanket pay rises that are (relatively) large, businesses are just going to hike the prices to make it up. Then it becomes a calculation to how much your gas, electricity, water, food, transportation, council tax and whether you now pay tax because of it. I expect someone who is doing full time + extras will be better off but people who work a few hours a week to see an overall negative impact.
 
The binman chronicles said:
Depends doesn't it. If you get blanket pay rises that are (relatively) large, businesses are just going to hike the prices to make it up. Then it becomes a calculation to how much your gas, electricity, water, food, transportation, council tax and whether you now pay tax because of it. I expect someone who is doing full time + extras will be better off but people who work a few hours a week to see an overall negative impact.
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Indeed. The reality is that managers are often beholden to shareholders, and they will usually want profits to rise. It seems unlikely that any CEO will survive for long if they say they'll shoulder a x% drop in profits because the minimum wage has increase their labour costs. Much more likely that they will want/have to maintain their profits, and therefore pass the costs onto the consumer and/or use technology to keep the cost of production as it is now and/or redefine the jobs themselves and use gig work to fulfill it, thus saving on things like national insurance. As we're already pushing the boundaries of the BoE inflationary targets, you'd have to imaging such a move would be followed by an interest rate rise. Hopefully those with mortgages aren't too highly geared.
 
The binman chronicles said:
Depends doesn't it. If you get blanket pay rises that are (relatively) large, businesses are just going to hike the prices to make it up. Then it becomes a calculation to how much your gas, electricity, water, food, transportation, council tax and whether you now pay tax because of it. I expect someone who is doing full time + extras will be better off but people who work a few hours a week to see an overall negative impact.
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Depends if you subscribe to a amoral system that happily has full-time working people requiring the state top up their incomes and average chief executives of company's now earning upto145 times the average salary, up from 47 times in 1998. It's any wonder why Britain has not become divided... ;)
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Depends if you subscribe to a amoral system that happily has full-time working people requiring the state top up their incomes and average chief executives of company's now earning upto145 times the average salary, up from 47 times in 1998. It's any wonder why Britain has not become divided... ;)
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Slippery slope when you want the state sticking their noses into what people are paid when it's only really a matter for employee and employer to decide. I mean we've got a few players I suspect who earn more in a week than the prime minister in a year. I asked earlier in the season how local fans (being of a typically left learning persuasion) felt about that, and the general response was a shrug of the shoulders.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Slippery slope when you want the state sticking their noses into what people are paid when it's only really a matter for employee and employer to decide. I mean we've got a few players I suspect who earn more in a week than the prime minister in a year. I asked earlier in the season how local fans (being of a typically left learning persuasion) felt about that, and the general response was a shrug of the shoulders.
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I would like to see a cap on wages transfer fees etc, needs to be led and implimented by those who run football, as football is long way from being a sport it was once. That's my shrug of the shoulders.
 
peteblue said:
Any working class person who votes for any Remain party is a class traitor, regardless of circumstances....
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Destroying things for some people is not the way to create things for others. If you think reducing the level of wealth in the economy and the corresponding fall in tax revenue is going to help the working class then I would strongly disagree. We are second only to the USA in the disparity of wealth distribution in the western world. Our problems of of our own making and if you think the right wing are going to help then you are mistaken. On the other hand Corbyn is so indoctrinated with his 1970's left wing views, that would not help either. People like him and McCluskey stifle the creativity of the working classes.

We need a pragmatic centre.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Depends if you subscribe to a amoral system that happily has full-time working people requiring the state top up their incomes and average chief executives of company's now earning upto145 times the average salary, up from 47 times in 1998. It's any wonder why Britain has not become divided... ;)
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I'm not saying people on the lower end of the scale shouldn't be paid more (& definitely people at the top should be paid less), it's just the fact a blanket near 22% increase to the minimum will be an excuse like no other to raise almost all prices. Like Bruce says if that causes say a 5% rise in inflation then it will probably trigger interest rate rises and with the increased cost of living, will Joe Bloggs really see the benefit of said rise? Looks good on paper but in reality will have done hardly anything for standard of living or pay equality.

I'm not sure what the answer should be to correct this but I would have thought enforceable smaller pay rises based on performance and a cap on executive and management pay that is linked to the lowest paid workers in the company would be a better alternative to what you are after.
 
The binman chronicles said:
I'm not saying people on the lower end of the scale shouldn't be paid more (& definitely people at the top should be paid less), it's just the fact a blanket near 22% increase to the minimum will be an excuse like no other to raise almost all prices. Like Bruce says if that causes say a 5% rise in inflation then it will probably trigger interest rate rises and with the increased cost of living, will Joe Bloggs really see the benefit of said rise? Looks good on paper but in reality will have done hardly anything for standard of living or pay equality.

I'm not sure what the answer should be to correct this but I would have thought enforceable smaller pay rises based on performance and a cap on executive and management pay that is linked to the lowest paid workers in the company would be a better alternative to what you are after.
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It's a case of having to win votes in the first place, the majority of the media is hostile to Corbyn a d Labour now. Take Labours environmental policy the other week, it was largely ignored and unreported, perfectly sound policy. So a catchy headline is the way to get attention.
And Basic minimum wage get paid for the job you do not who you are. And lifting more people out of in work benefits can only be good?
 
Oh hello, time for the Cold War spy nonsense to return. Must be an election in the offing.

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