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[Jebus_lives]

Well done on Dooley, whoever she is, calling out unwarranted racism from David Lammy.

There is nothing racist about what he said.

 

[Jebus_lives]

He's kinda got a point hasn't he?

No he's being branded a racist for saying Africans should get to tell their own history and determine their own existence in the world, by the same people who think that someone shouldn't dictate to Jewish people what their history should be and allow them to dictate their terms of existence in the world.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

There is nothing racist about what he said.

There was absolutely no need to mention the colour of peoples skin.

Britain is a multicultural society and Comic Relief has people of all races who work, volunteer and donate to its causes.

But he chose to make it about white people. A previous poster called it before, he's a one trick pony with race as his only soapbox to shout from.

Should be investigated for his comments but like Dianne Abbott before him it doesn't matter what you say if it's only about honkies.

 

[Jebus_lives]

There was absolutely no need to mention the colour of peoples skin.

Britain is a multicultural society and Comic Relief has people of all races who work, volunteer and donate to its causes.

But he chose to make it about white people. A previous poster called it before, he's a one trick pony with race as his only soapbox to shout from.

Should be investigated for his comments but like Dianne Abbott before him it doesn't matter what you say if it's only about honkies.

This seems like outrage for the sake of outrage.

He is most definitely not a 'one trick pony' and by the suggestion that both he and Dianne Abbott are is a great disservice to their political work.

It absolutely has to do with race and particularly the broader concept of racism in it's truest definition. He is not claiming superiority over White people or suggesting that white people are inherently inferior - precisely the opposite. It is a largely white dominated Western portrayal of Africa and Africans as existing only in tropes rather than an accurate portrayal of the continent and it's people.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

This seems like outrage for the sake of outrage.

He is most definitely not a 'one trick pony' and by the suggestion that both he and Dianne Abbott are is a great disservice to their political work.

It absolutely has to do with race and particularly the broader concept of racism in it's truest definition. He is not claiming superiority over White people or suggesting that white people are inherently inferior - precisely the opposite. It is a largely white dominated Western portrayal of Africa and Africans as existing only in tropes rather than an accurate portrayal of the continent and it's people.

The statement would only be valid if Comic Relief was a solely white organisation from a solely white country.

As it is he's decided to mention skin colour for no reason except it fits his narrative.

As was said before, if he described it as western instead of white there would be no problem. The double standards on racial language stinks in my opinion.

 

[Jebus_lives]

The statement would only be valid if Comic Relief was a solely white organisation from a solely white country.

As it is he's decided to mention skin colour for no reason except it fits his narrative.

As was said before, if he described it as western instead of white there would be no problem. The double standards on racial language stinks in my opinion.

No it wouldn't. You could quite comfortably describe the Met police in the 1990's in similar terms to as you have above, yet they were found to be institutionally racist.

Racism is not simply about the colour of skin, it's about the status that that race has.

Regardless of whether you are offended by it or not - and clearly black labour politicians taking about racism offends you as demonstrated by your previous post - being offended by what he said doesn't make it racist no matter how much you want it to be.

 

[dead_soft]

There was absolutely no need to mention the colour of peoples skin.

Britain is a multicultural society and Comic Relief has people of all races who work, volunteer and donate to its causes.

But he chose to make it about white people. A previous poster called it before, he's a one trick pony with race as his only soapbox to shout from.

Should be investigated for his comments but like Dianne Abbott before him it doesn't matter what you say if it's only about honkies.

It's a pretty big soapbox to have. Race has a massive part to play in opportunity in this country. The White Saviour does a lot of good for white people who want a padded ego, less so for black communities and Africa that are patronised and kept as other through this sort of behaviour.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I get where Lammy is coming from, it's very similar to virture signalling.
Rather than delivering some aid now and again, let's get these countries up running correctly and then self sufficiency. Winnie a good neighbor also explained it to me, she could have stayed at home in Malawi prayed to God like her sister for some essentials handed out by the church which was basically donated aid. Good for church and host of employed administration types and keeps not very useful educated types employed in aid donating countries, but kept her sister needy.

 

[dead_soft]

The statement would only be valid if Comic Relief was a solely white organisation from a solely white country.

As it is he's decided to mention skin colour for no reason except it fits his narrative.

As was said before, if he described it as western instead of white there would be no problem. The double standards on racial language stinks in my opinion.

It's not double standards, it's being aware that different races have faced challenges white people have not and will never. White people don't get to claim oppression too.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

No it wouldn't. You could quite comfortably describe the Met police in the 1990's in similar terms to as you have above, yet they were found to be institutionally racist.

Racism is not simply about the colour of skin, it's about the status that that race has.

Regardless of whether you are offended by it or not - and clearly black labour politicians taking about racism offends you as demonstrated by your previous post - being offended by what he said doesn't make it racist no matter how much you want it to be.

I think it's wrong for him to suggest any issues with how Comic Relief is ran is a white issue. It might be a Western problem, or a British issue but singling out one race seems unnecessary and unhelpful.

I don't have a problem with black politicians talking about racism and that's a particularly nasty little strawman to throw down at me. I have a problem with language that singles out peoples skin colour unnecessarily. If you don't because of "status"..well that's up to you.

 

[Jebus_lives]

It's not double standards, it's being aware that different races have faced challenges white people have not and will never. White people don't get to claim oppression too.

Some do. Jews, for example, might have justocation to feel they have been oppressed throughout history.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I think it's wrong for him to suggest any issues with how Comic Relief is ran is a white issue. It might be a Western problem, or a British issue but singling out one race seems unnecessary and unhelpful.

I don't have a problem with black politicians talking about racism and that's a particularly nasty little strawman to throw down at me. I have a problem with language that singles out peoples skin colour unnecessarily. If you don't because of "status"..well that's up to you.

I'm not throwing it at you, you decided to draw comparison with Dianne Abbott 'getting away with 'racism' if taking about white people' as you think David Lammy has done here.

I have no idea what you mean by status in this regard. Maybe you could clarify?

It is exactly a white problem as, in large part, comic relief is portrayed as white celebrities visiting African countries to continue a narrative of 'poor Africa they need your help' with very little discussion about Africa in any other context, which promotes an idea that Africans are inferior to a largely white Western world.

 

[dholliday]

and to think the Chinese are actually the ones doing far more work in African nations than Westerners, and we hear nary a peep about race relations (or lack thereof) between the Chinese & local Africans.

I think we Westerners (whether light skin or dark skin) are just obsessed with identity-politics. The Chinese & Africans just accept their differences and get their head down to work.

 

[dead_soft]

Some do. Jews, for example, might have justocation to feel they have been oppressed throughout history.

Yes, sorry, I should have been clearer

 

[tsubaki]

It's not double standards, it's being aware that different races have faced challenges white people have not and will never. White people don't get to claim oppression too.

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You should be made to read The Condition of the Working-Class in England and then write out 100 times "I will not post daftness on GOT".