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davek
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That public inquiry will be like a ticking time bomb for Starmer.
His decision to arrest thousands and hand out long sentences after those riots will be counterposed with him now admitting he knew this was an act of terrorism.
Rightly or wrongly he'll be seen as duplicitous and someone withholding information from the public. Journalists knew and they were told to remain silent.
Starmer's tried to get out ahead of it this morning but he'll find it impossible to control the fall out of this now.
His decision to arrest thousands and hand out long sentences after those riots will be counterposed with him now admitting he knew this was an act of terrorism.
Rightly or wrongly he'll be seen as duplicitous and someone withholding information from the public. Journalists knew and they were told to remain silent.
Starmer's tried to get out ahead of it this morning but he'll find it impossible to control the fall out of this now.
tsubaki
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There is a lot of nonsense posted here, Dave.
When the London Bridge attack happened, would people have been justified to attack Met and City cops over it? Would they have been justified in smashing up an Eastern Orthodox Church over it?
The public don’t, for very good reasons, have a right to know everything. They dont have a right to riot over it either.
Thomasc
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It's no wonder Labour have got such a huge task in helping to rebuild frontline services. For example at the Coivd enquiry it's been revealed Public Health funding has been decimated during the last 10 years, especially in the most deprived areas... LibDems need own this too as enablers of Tory government with its right wing economic ideology "Austerity".
This type of view is a direct outcome of the immediacy of social media, and the likes of Yaxley-Lennon pretending to be “Independent journalists”.
The public think they have a right to know everything, immediately, with 100% accuracy.
Any withheld or incorrect information in a breaking, changing, uncertain news story is treated conspiratorially.
It’s like we’ve collectively forgotten about due process, not jeopardising trials, ensuring that convictions are safe and resist easy appeals.
People are dancing to Yaxley-Lennon’s tune thinking that they’re holding power to account, when in reality they are putting due process, and therefore the public at risk.
davek
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Its a slippery slope.
The word was put out that there was no terrorism angle to the attack and the coppers and government knew that wasn't true.
I get that there's a reason for withholding information, but stating a falsehood like that was wrong. The media and even MPs were told to cover up the truth. How sinister is that, btw?
The coppers and the government shat it and failed to see that stating the reality could be done AND civil order kept.
Why shouldn't the public know the full truth? There has been examples over the last several years where withholding information / truth and more importantly using social media as a weapon has proven to be dangerous. Even during covid , whatever your personal views are, so much information was witheld or denied despite it being true and people genuinely go by what they are told (or not told) and act accordingly. What sort of society, given the accusations thrown across the water currently, holds information back and sees that as a good thing? To what extent are you happy to have your perspective controlled by the flow of information? In this case with Southport, people were given criminal records for stating the truth.
Yarrgh
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The Americans are pulling out. Bail us out.
They do know the UK is a basket case too don't they?
tsubaki
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They absolutely were not govern “criminal records for stating the truth”; I defy you to find one person who was banged up for that.
In terms of the public’s right to know, we were told what had happened at the scene, that they’d detained the person responsible, that there was no risk of further attacks and that much of what was being said online was nonsense. Once a court agreed, his name was later released as well.
Beyond that there is great danger in releasing information because, as Starmer said, a court process that must not be derailed. Saying he’d been through the Prevent process three times, or that he’d planned to stab up a school, would obviously have wrecked any jury trial in advance. I can only imagine what all the bad faith actors who exploited this tragedy would have made of that.
tsubaki
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Dave they never said there was no terrorist angle; they (Merseyside Police) said it wasn’t being treated as terror-related, which it wasn’t being (and IIRC hasn’t been since).
Yarrgh
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Yep and let's see how $%&£ that will pan out if it happens. I hope we pay attention to the current events in the US over the last day or so to see if we want a bit of that.
Depressingly, I suspect quite a few will. Maybe really enough to get Reform to achieve such a point.
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