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As a taxpayer I'd prefer it to be a referendum question on WASPI compensation. I'd vote in favour of compensation even though it doesn't directly benefit me and I'd be one of those paying for it in increaesed taxes. It would be nice, for once, to be asked about things like this for once.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
As a taxpayer I'd prefer it to be a referendum question on WASPI compensation. I'd vote in favour of compensation even though it doesn't directly benefit me and I'd be one of those paying for it in increaesed taxes. It would be nice, for once, to be asked about things like this for once.
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Most people who will jump on the bandwagon won’t share your views.
They will demand these women be compensated as a stick to beat the new government with and they will just expect the new government to find the money from somewhere which doesn’t directly affect them.
 
peteblue said:
In his heart Boris was more socialist than Starmer ever will be, he got dealt a crap hand of cards with both Brexit and Covid, but tried to do the right things for everyone at the time. Starmer had years to dream up this [Poor language removed] show with Rachel from Customer Complaints, and apart from a few union backhanders to train drivers etc has turned his back towards some of the weakest in society…..
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It's like a monty python sketch. Pick your favourite part, socialist at heart? brexit a band hand of cards? (who was the 'kin dealer?) covid turned out a great little earner - and they somehow managed to scapegoat only mone so far, "tried to do the right thing" - like illegally prorogue parliament. It's good that the current chancellor gets some stick though, even though you had little to say about kwasi and the eventual 'back stabber' before him.
Oh well, at least the junior doctors are no longer on strike, frank hester and co got their money first though. And who introduced the two child benefit cap? Who removed the nursing bursary? Who delivered the new hospitals, schools, nuclear stations at a rate of one a year, replacement prisons, and millions of new social housing stock?
But but but, Rayner and £1400 quid of undeclared phantom capital gains though. But but but, some knob'ead before politics was playing silly buggers with losing her phone! It's as though the name chris pincher has evaporated from history. Well known and multiple previous occasion sexual molestation pincher.
Let's have a look at Reeves for a moment, apparently her cv wasn't quite as accurate as some demand. Hmmm. Remember when former chancellor zahawi forgot to pay £5M in income tax? Yeaaahh, thought not.
I know, I know, we need some trickle down economic easy wins here, let's turn all cancer care off and use the money for a tax cut for the wealthiest instead.
At least a move like that won't upset jeremy clarkson.

If you choose to be a conveniently selective memoried fool, that's fine, please don't expect it from anyone else. The shysters you've backed have cut you adrift and now it's time you pay their bill. Enjoy.

Scottish independence can't arrive soon enough.
 
Thomasc said:
Most people who will jump on the bandwagon won’t share your views.
They will demand these women be compensated as a stick to beat the new government with and they will just expect the new government to find the money from somewhere which doesn’t directly affect them.
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There's a load of bullspit* useless ppe and covid IT contracts to look at clawing a few quid back on.
 
peteblue said:
Of course, the piece of cake…remember Beergate ?….
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Imagine the roles were reversed and Starmer had been PM and acted like Johnson did during Covid. There would have been almost unanimous criticism of him on here and you would have been cheerleading it.

The only reason yourself and others excused his actions is because he’s a funny posh man.
 
Thomasc said:
Most people who will jump on the bandwagon won’t share your views.
They will demand these women be compensated as a stick to beat the new government with and they will just expect the new government to find the money from somewhere which doesn’t directly affect them.
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If the compensation had been approved, they’d be foaming about it being a waste of taxpayer money and how it’ll lead to more tax rises like they have over infected blood and post office compensation. Labour can’t win with right wing loons they dance on pin heads.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Women in the 60s: we want equality
Women in the 2010s: yeah, but not in terms of retirement age ffs
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I wish I could remember the full details but there was a radio interview with one of the WASPI women a while ago, maybe around the time we were waiting for the Ombudsman decision. She was making the point that most women of her age had never had a chance to gain an amazing pension because they'd gone into work in the 70s likely in some minor secretarial role, and then dropped out for 5-10 years to have children before coming back into part time employment as their family grew up. They never really cared about their pensions because the financial side of the family was their working husband's area to deal with.

Some of these women spent decades planning to retire at 60, relying on their husbands' pensions, likely in final salary schemes, and for any of them that lost 'access' to that (I guess a divorce, maybe widowed etc) it was now unfair that they found themselves not just poorer, but having to work an extra 5 years in some crap job at a supermarket or whatever just to tide them over until they could start drawing on what they'd been able to put away themselves.

I don't really have a summing up point here. I can see how women of this age have been a bit shafted by the world changing around them. My partner for example went into a medical career from Uni, has never not worked and is now the senior member of her team, earning well above the average salary, a life a woman 30 years her senior would have struggled to have, even with all the requisite skills.

At the same time, I think it's kind of crazy to just subcontract a huge part of your life's journey to someone else and assume they'll always be there, although I suppose again, divorce rates will have shot up since they were young. When they married, there was a good expectation that would be for life.

But regardless, people looking to make political hay out of this that voted Tory in 2019 can just pipe down as this is what they voted for (amongst other financial hits to people they apparently care about).
 
Rachel Reeves (a woman in a household that pulls in £300,000 p.a.) has this morning stated that it's unjustifiable for women in debt through the acknowledged incompetency and negligence of HM Government to be handed out £1,000 to £2,950 cash payments.


Keep an eye on the negative approval rating for the Red Tories; it sits at -70% and I reckon it'll be in the -90% range in a very short period of time.

They're a deadly mixture of incompetence, hypocrisy and neo-liberal idealism.

Get in the 'kin bin.
 
Xizor said:
I wish I could remember the full details but there was a radio interview with one of the WASPI women a while ago, maybe around the time we were waiting for the Ombudsman decision. She was making the point that most women of her age had never had a chance to gain an amazing pension because they'd gone into work in the 70s likely in some minor secretarial role, and then dropped out for 5-10 years to have children before coming back into part time employment as their family grew up. They never really cared about their pensions because the financial side of the family was their working husband's area to deal with.

Some of these women spent decades planning to retire at 60, relying on their husbands' pensions, likely in final salary schemes, and for any of them that lost 'access' to that (I guess a divorce, maybe widowed etc) it was now unfair that they found themselves not just poorer, but having to work an extra 5 years in some crap job at a supermarket or whatever just to tide them over until they could start drawing on what they'd been able to put away themselves.

I don't really have a summing up point here. I can see how women of this age have been a bit shafted by the world changing around them. My partner for example went into a medical career from Uni, has never not worked and is now the senior member of her team, earning well above the average salary, a life a woman 30 years her senior would have struggled to have, even with all the requisite skills.

At the same time, I think it's kind of crazy to just subcontract a huge part of your life's journey to someone else and assume they'll always be there, although I suppose again, divorce rates will have shot up since they were young. When they married, there was a good expectation that would be for life.

But regardless, people looking to make political hay out of this that voted Tory in 2019 can just pipe down as this is what they voted for (amongst other financial hits to people they apparently care about).
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Don’t belittle working at a supermarket. Anyone who gets up, goes to work and pays their taxes should be respected.
 
Xizor said:
I wish I could remember the full details but there was a radio interview with one of the WASPI women a while ago, maybe around the time we were waiting for the Ombudsman decision. She was making the point that most women of her age had never had a chance to gain an amazing pension because they'd gone into work in the 70s likely in some minor secretarial role, and then dropped out for 5-10 years to have children before coming back into part time employment as their family grew up. They never really cared about their pensions because the financial side of the family was their working husband's area to deal with.

Some of these women spent decades planning to retire at 60, relying on their husbands' pensions, likely in final salary schemes, and for any of them that lost 'access' to that (I guess a divorce, maybe widowed etc) it was now unfair that they found themselves not just poorer, but having to work an extra 5 years in some crap job at a supermarket or whatever just to tide them over until they could start drawing on what they'd been able to put away themselves.

I don't really have a summing up point here. I can see how women of this age have been a bit shafted by the world changing around them. My partner for example went into a medical career from Uni, has never not worked and is now the senior member of her team, earning well above the average salary, a life a woman 30 years her senior would have struggled to have, even with all the requisite skills.

At the same time, I think it's kind of crazy to just subcontract a huge part of your life's journey to someone else and assume they'll always be there, although I suppose again, divorce rates will have shot up since they were young. When they married, there was a good expectation that would be for life.

But regardless, people looking to make political hay out of this that voted Tory in 2019 can just pipe down as this is what they voted for (amongst other financial hits to people they apparently care about).
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The generalisations and stink of superiority from this post is nauseating.
 
Paying compensation to the WASPI women could result in additional debt if financed through borrowing or higher taxes, potentially placing a financial burden on future generations. I think the boomers have it better than younger generations regarding what they've enjoyed through their lives. House affordability, the cost of living etc., makes it feel a bit selfish. I get that maybe there's an argument for those that are on the bread line, no assets or the like but it's a much wider consideration than just saying "pay them" - at least to my mind, it is.
There's clearly not enough money in the government coffers, so if it was borrowed who'd pay it back. If it was taken from another area of spending, who'd lose out?
 
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