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[toffee82]

Rachel Reeves - £163,0000 p.a.

Reeves' husband, Nicolas Joicey, Chief Operating Officer and Second Permanent Secretary at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs - £175,000 p.a.

Alright for some isn't it?

DCL wants that a week.

 

[toffee82]

According to the simplified timeline, the Pensions Act planning the age increase was 1995. In 2011 it was updated to accelerate it and the age reached 65 in 2018. Was surprised when I read this.

I'm just over 40 and nobody I know around my age seems to properly considers their pension and retirement. I've got younger colleagues who aren't earning anywhere near enough compared to the cost of living to consider putting extra away.

 

[Xizor]

The same Tories who made these changes to the process, who sped it up in coalition and who completely ignored the ombudsman report when they were in power are shocked by this decision...

I didn't see it but read that the Tory statement in the Commons didn't say they'd actually have given out the money but just kept telling Labour to 'own it'. Wonder why...

I just looked into this WASPI thing, sounds like a load of rich boomers crying for no reason.

Well, this is part of the thing. Dave upthread said "people have gone into debt because of things outside their control", but people go into debt for reasons they can't help all the time. Mortgage rates shot up and people suddenly found their repayments were way more than they could afford. Not everyone would have had stacks of cash lying around to live off whilst losing money monthly. All sorts of things happen, either planned by the government or complete accidents, that can drive people into poverty or debt.

Now it's true that changing the pension age isn't the same thing as a sudden rate spike (after all, any loan needs to be considered for its repayability), or making a a bad investment bet. But at the same time, it's been hammered into me since my first ever job that people should be more aware of their retirement plans, making sure their pots are on the right schemes, or combined, or all sorts of things that 99% of people never have time to really look into (and that's if you're even putting 'enough' money away given life's running costs).

I don't really blame these women for not being fully on top of their pensions, I doubt most of us are truly. But it seems they're paying the price for ignoring it completely more than anything else, and assuming things would work out.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Secondly, not bowing to the WASPI campaign. Given the pressures the country is under right now, not least the evident need to improve the defences of the country and our allies and the current tax burden, giving billions of pounds to an entire cohort of society because a minority claimed not to be able to read or understand things that were widely publicized and commented on could not be justified.

It is the turbo charging of the system that certain numbers are complaining. It's coming in in 2018 got ramped up to 2012? That 6 year sudden movement by osborne and cameron is the crux of it.

Having the rug pulled out from under you I believe is the appropriate phrase.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

When you wonder about how easily Starmer romped home at the last election, you just need to remind yourself that these were the previous ruling party.

Someone came up with that idea and actually told other people about it and they liked it too.
Let that sink in for a second.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Rachel Reeves - £163,0000 p.a.

Reeves' husband, Nicolas Joicey, Chief Operating Officer and Second Permanent Secretary at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs - £175,000 p.a.

Alright for some isn't it?

Who owns G4S please mate?

 

[Xizor]

Someone came up with that idea and actually told other people about it and they liked it too.
Let that sink in for a second.

Didn't we say the exact same about the bloke in your profile pic?

See, now I'm debating Starmer Claus as mine...

 

[Rita_Poon]

Oh yeah, but I 'voted for Galloway' though...

Like trying to grab smoke.

The footwork, the hips, illusory. davek for strictly I says!

 

[davek]

If only I had voted for Galloway or the Tories, never mind, hey.

I just looked into this WASPI thing, sounds like a load of rich boomers crying for no reason.

Screw them all, thats what they get for voting for Brexit the bellends.

The most Tory response ever.

 

[Rita_Poon]

So much easier to blame a government that’s been in power for 6 months though . That won’t wash forever but at the moment the idea that immediately carry all responsibility is ridiculous

It is happening, the media can't help but get in on the act, the miniscule democratic vote ousted the tory slime and because things haven't been made perfect instantly it's all Starmzy's fault. Every day there are multiple nonsense attacks on him and Reeves. The stupid, the dim, the racist, the cat-people, can't lap it up fast enough. They love it and so do the tory scum enablers in the media, the platform was built and now they're going to hammer them for it until labour lose terribly in 4.5 years. And it'll likely be boris.

 

[Goat]

The most Tory response ever.

If it makes you feel better, call me a Tory.

We both know its not true.

The decisions The Tories made over the last 14 years impacted everybody, we are still paying for mistakes they made 40 years ago when that dead witch Maggie sold all the family jewels, but sure, I should feel bad for removing them.

Plot twist, I dont.

Labour is far from perfect and mistakes have and will be made, but at least they arent evil, no matter how you try and paint them as such.

 

[peteblue]

I wonder how much of that hypothetical £58bn still exists after 4+ extra years of Tory misrule that included a economically damaging Brexit finally happening, a chaotic Boris brainfart of a premiership, Covid and all its ills, Ukraine and all its effects and the Liz Truss Fiscal Event Extravaganza.

The public didn't vote in Labour's 2019 platform so I don't know why they should be held to it now when circumstances have changed wildly.

Yet Starmer has gone from let’s give them £58bn, they deserve it, yet another of his multitude of lies, to one of no they don’t deserve it irrespective of the amount. If you believe this is the ethical behaviour of a PM then fair enough, personally I think it reeks of rank hypocrisy from a serial liar who flip flops on a whim. He’s an absolute cretin……..

 

[Rita_Poon]

How's them nuclear power stations and hospitals coming along pepe?

 

[Eidean]

Yet Starmer has gone from let’s give them £58bn, they deserve it, yet another of his multitude of lies, to one of no they don’t deserve it irrespective of the amount. If you believe this is the ethical behaviour of a PM then fair enough, personally I think it reeks of rank hypocrisy from a serial liar who flip flops on a whim. He’s an absolute cretin……..

Wait till you find out who’s responsible for this mess Pete.

 

[davek]

If it makes you feel better, call me a Tory.

We both know its not true.

The decisions The Tories made over the last 14 years impacted everybody, we are still paying for mistakes they made 40 years ago when that dead witch Maggie sold all the family jewels, but sure, I should feel bad for removing them.

Plot twist, I dont.

Labour is far from perfect and mistakes have and will be made, but at least they arent evil, no matter how you try and paint them as such.

You missed out Blairism - that's where the neo-liberal policies were deepened and where working class solidarity undermined more insidiously. Starmer's lot are the latest and worst incarnation of the drive toward the privatisation of this country.

To back that is to be completely clueless.

There's a left party being formed early next year. Whether it gets anywhere who knows. But at least I'll have a party to hold onto again and there'll be a real model of what a left wing party should be...something the LP hasn't;t been for decades.

You're not seeing the wood for the trees if you focus just on Blue Tory. Toryism is the only game in town in our parliamentary system.